From: Stuart Herbert <stuart@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two
Date: Sat, 12 Nov 2005 00:57:41 +0000 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1131757062.8508.119.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <1131751347.25730.58.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net>
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On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:22 -0500, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
> It seems to be your own quest to have the news *only*
> delivered by portage.
I thought I'd been very clear in the email that you've replied to that I
support making the news available via other ways. It's the timing that
I'm a bit worried about.
I've managed a few change programmes over the years, and I've had the
most success when a change happened in stages. The issues centre on the
ability of a large body of people to understand the change that has been
introduced. People find change itself confusing. If something isn't
given time to bed in, people never quite understand the original change,
and this undermines the benefits of introducing the change.
We live and breathe Gentoo daily, and we understand this news thing
because we've invested time and effort to kick it back and forward here
on -dev. The vast majority of our users haven't had that luxury, and
it'll take a while for them to "get it".
If the majority don't agree with me, not a problem; I'm not going to
stop you (like I could anyway!) from putting out multi-channel from day
one.
But if it was my decision, I'd roll out one channel first, and the
others later.
> By your own admission, you want to reach 100% of
> the users. The only effective way to do this is to essentially carpet
> bomb the information into several mediums, all containing the *same*
> information. Think about how advertising works. The idea is to put
> your "product", the news, in our case, in front of as many eyes as
> possible. This is best done by utilizing all of the media available to
> us.
That's not my experience of how advertising works.
My experience with advertising is that you place your product, service,
or message where your target audience is most likely to see it and be
affected by it. Most bang for your buck, if you like. The placement
creates the context for the advert.
Most advertising carries what the marketdroids term a "call to action" -
something that tells the reader how to buy the product, or whatever.
Some advertising is about raising general brand awareness (something
Orange was exceptional at), so that the reader will think of the firm
and its products at a point in the future.
Carpet-bombing, by comparison, goes against commonly observed human
psychology. If you tell people the same thing too many times, they stop
listening to you. Blitzing people just leaves them too shocked to
absorb the message.
But if you introduce something gradually, you can then turn up the
volume, so to speak, without people being unsettled by it. There's two
great stories in R. V. Jones "Most Secret War" where Dr. Jones used this
principle to play practical jokes on people he knew during his Oxford
days, for example.
I hope that the technical solution will allow users to choose to see
news about packages that are not installed - so that we can deliver news
that isn't strictly package related, such as new Gentoo LiveCDs, or a
Gentoo event, or so that we can deliver news where the package isn't yet
in the tree (f.ex. announcing a new overlay, or Gentoo-hosted project).
I'm not hoping for a 100% perfect technical solution straight away.
Release early, release often is the F/OSS way. Once we've agreed on
something that's fit for purpose, let's implement it, deploy it, get to
the tipping point, see how users react, and then improve it.
Best regards,
Stu
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Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2005-11-05 0:58 [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 1:24 ` Stephen Bennett
2005-11-05 1:44 ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-05 1:53 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 10:28 ` Grobian
2005-11-05 10:53 ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-05 11:16 ` Grobian
2005-11-05 11:10 ` kloeri
2005-11-05 11:29 ` Grobian
2005-11-05 11:47 ` kloeri
2005-11-05 12:58 ` Grobian
2005-11-05 13:19 ` Bryan Ãstergaard
2005-11-05 14:04 ` Grobian
2005-11-06 20:37 ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-06 21:38 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-06 21:47 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 16:27 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-07 17:03 ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-07 18:32 ` Grobian
2005-11-07 18:41 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 19:11 ` Grobian
2005-11-07 19:51 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 20:13 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-10 20:55 ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-11 9:03 ` Grobian
2005-11-11 11:52 ` Tres Melton
2005-11-11 22:19 ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-12 4:39 ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-12 15:34 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-12 16:05 ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-12 17:23 ` Grobian
2005-11-13 14:55 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-07 19:01 ` Daniel Ostrow
2005-11-07 19:02 ` Daniel Ostrow
2005-11-07 19:14 ` Daniel Ostrow
2005-11-07 20:10 ` [gentoo-dev] " Grobian
2005-11-07 20:21 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 20:32 ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-10 21:33 ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-11 9:19 ` Grobian
2005-11-11 9:38 ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-11 10:10 ` Grobian
2005-11-11 15:39 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-11 15:29 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-12 17:16 ` [gentoo-dev] " R Hill
2005-11-07 22:10 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: " Duncan
2005-11-07 7:18 ` [gentoo-dev] " John Myers
2005-11-07 16:17 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-05 17:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 17:58 ` Ferris McCormick
2005-11-05 18:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 22:32 ` Grobian
2005-11-05 23:07 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-06 8:33 ` Grobian
2005-11-06 21:56 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 8:41 ` Grobian
2005-11-07 9:34 ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-07 16:21 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 11:24 ` Brian Harring
2005-11-05 17:45 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 20:29 ` Brian Harring
2005-11-05 23:10 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 11:34 ` Lisa Seelye
2005-11-05 12:08 ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-05 17:46 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 11:43 ` Brian Harring
2005-11-05 17:53 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 19:13 ` Ned Ludd
2005-11-05 20:04 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 13:18 ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-05 13:24 ` Brian Harring
2005-11-05 13:42 ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-05 17:57 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-06 2:44 ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-05 19:24 ` Philip Webb
2005-11-05 20:04 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 22:24 ` Philip Webb
2005-11-05 22:36 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 10:50 ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-07 11:03 ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2005-11-07 16:23 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 20:12 ` Philip Webb
2005-11-07 20:34 ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-07 20:45 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 23:17 ` Philip Webb
2005-11-08 0:41 ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-10 23:12 ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-10 23:35 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-11 0:07 ` Mike Owen
2005-11-11 0:11 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-11 3:52 ` Luca Barbato
2005-11-11 4:09 ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-11 4:27 ` Luca Barbato
2005-11-12 17:22 ` [gentoo-dev] " R Hill
2005-11-11 15:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-11 11:28 ` Benno Schulenberg
2005-11-11 12:48 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-12 2:27 ` Georgi Georgiev
2005-11-12 7:05 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-11 14:33 ` [gentoo-dev] " Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-11 17:40 ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-11 20:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-11 21:09 ` Grant Goodyear
2005-11-12 0:55 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-11 22:37 ` [gentoo-dev] " Stuart Herbert
2005-11-11 23:08 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-14 9:25 ` Thierry Carrez
2005-11-14 14:03 ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-11 23:22 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-12 0:57 ` Stuart Herbert [this message]
2005-11-12 8:49 ` Grobian
2005-11-12 11:32 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-12 15:45 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-12 15:26 ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-13 14:07 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-13 22:34 ` [gentoo-dev] " Stuart Herbert
2005-11-13 23:43 ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-14 0:14 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-14 13:59 ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-18 23:44 ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-19 1:44 ` George Prowse
2005-11-19 7:41 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-20 18:06 ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-20 20:42 ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-20 21:01 ` [gentoo-dev] " Dan Meltzer
2005-11-21 14:13 ` Mint Shows
2005-11-21 20:07 ` Andrew Muraco
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