From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EahZF-0007KP-3S for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:40:21 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jABMdbrl031329; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:39:37 GMT Received: from mail.gnqs.org (myrddraal.demon.co.uk [62.49.28.63]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jABMbp34021857 for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:37:52 GMT Received: from mogheiden.gnqs.org ([192.168.0.20]) by mail.gnqs.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EahWo-0002mK-3j for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:37:51 +0000 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two From: Stuart Herbert To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20051111184053.780ed8c9@sven.genone.homeip.net> References: <20051105005814.0de0d8ff@snowdrop.home> <20051111184053.780ed8c9@sven.genone.homeip.net> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-jFcJyJ4FLi6pgrXopzG+" Organization: Gentoo Linux Project Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 22:37:15 +0000 Message-Id: <1131748635.8508.86.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "demandred.gnqs.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:40 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote: > I've already asked a similar question in another mail (in other > context) without an answer, but how many news items do people believe > will exist at any given time? [...] Content analysis details: (-2.8 points, 7.5 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-Archives-Salt: 06e7cf3d-092d-4486-9a87-af94d34f2405 X-Archives-Hash: 36c81e28c9b75c4856db46848cff03bc --=-jFcJyJ4FLi6pgrXopzG+ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2005-11-11 at 18:40 +0100, Marius Mauch wrote: > I've already asked a similar question in another mail (in other > context) without an answer, but how many news items do people believe > will exist at any given time? We won't know for certain until people start using it. I expect that it'll eventually be used for more than just the package-upgrade-will-break-your-box type news that we plan on using it for at first. For example, there's no real reason why GLSA's couldn't been delivered via this at some point (although I'd prefer a "You have X amount of security fixes to apply" type message adding to emerge, and treating GLSAs as a special case). > Things that should definitely be changed: > - Integration with existing systems: > This definitely should be a requirement for the GLEP to be considered > final. It doesn't prevent some thing being implemented sooner than > others, but multi-channel distribution (to use a buzzword) is a > requirement from where I come from. One of the key things with successfully delivering a change programme is to not dilute the change by introducing too many at once. =20 If we simultaneously launch emerge --news w/ (f.ex) gatewaying to gentoo-announce, I believe that it weakens the impact of introducing emerge --news. =20 One of the objectives is to remove confusion from the minds of users about where to find the news. If we can start by pointing at one place, and saying "go there", we can clear up the confusion, and then afterwards introduce multi-channel distribution when our users "get it", so to speak. I'm all for making the news available via www.g.o etc etc as well - I just think doing it all at the same time will not be the most effective strategy. Best regards, Stu --=20 Stuart Herbert stuart@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer http://www.gentoo.org/ http://stu.gnqs.org/diary/ GnuGP key id# F9AFC57C available from http://pgp.mit.edu Key fingerprint =3D 31FB 50D4 1F88 E227 F319 C549 0C2F 80BA F9AF C57C -- --=-jFcJyJ4FLi6pgrXopzG+ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDdR0bDC+AuvmvxXwRAiQsAJkBAHyGWtwoId4SG5gm4HAgN8i5eACgg2U5 7nc5DjeH0aiqvzzMTcirUl0= =680u -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-jFcJyJ4FLi6pgrXopzG+-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list