From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EaJWk-0005R7-0G for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 21:00:10 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jAAKx3ZI028822; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:59:03 GMT Received: from mail.gnqs.org (myrddraal.demon.co.uk [62.49.28.63]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jAAKtx0j012873 for ; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:55:59 GMT Received: from mogheiden.gnqs.org ([192.168.0.20]) by mail.gnqs.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EaJSf-0001pK-Mw for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:55:58 +0000 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two From: Stuart Herbert To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <436FA6DB.1090509@gentoo.org> References: <20051105005814.0de0d8ff@snowdrop.home> <436C8951.4010008@gentoo.org> <20051105111006.GA14844@kloeri> <436C9798.5020805@gentoo.org> <20051105114729.GB14844@kloeri> <436CAC58.4090809@gentoo.org> <1131309435.8543.16.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> <20051106214747.4e6a9cff@snowdrop.home> <1131382994.8546.34.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> <436F9DC6.8040106@gentoo.org> <20051107184153.0530a19a@snowdrop.home> <436FA6DB.1090509@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-+QSiIQzAsxm2ZunrPWZZ" Organization: Gentoo Linux Project Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:55:37 +0000 Message-Id: <1131656137.8511.38.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 X-Spam_score: -2.8 X-Spam_score_int: -27 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: Spam detection software, running on the system "demandred.gnqs.org", has identified this incoming email as possible spam. The original message has been attached to this so you can view it (if it isn't spam) or label similar future email. If you have any questions, see the administrator of that system for details. Content preview: On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 20:11 +0100, Grobian wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > That's your first misconception right there. Most users don't sign up > > for things. > > Doesn't matter. I think it does. I believe that is the root cause of our difficulty in getting news to our users. We rely on our users coming to us to find the news. If they don't do that, they don't get the news. [...] Content analysis details: (-2.8 points, 7.5 required) pts rule name description ---- ---------------------- -------------------------------------------------- -2.8 ALL_TRUSTED Did not pass through any untrusted hosts X-Archives-Salt: 832b7fb9-6f83-4362-aed4-e7d7159afe66 X-Archives-Hash: 111cc35d4f5e25cdbda95ee5fa3a276c --=-+QSiIQzAsxm2ZunrPWZZ Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 20:11 +0100, Grobian wrote: > Ciaran McCreesh wrote: > > That's your first misconception right there. Most users don't sign up > > for things. >=20 > Doesn't matter. I think it does. I believe that is the root cause of our difficulty in getting news to our users. We rely on our users coming to us to find the news. If they don't do that, they don't get the news. Our aim is to put the news in front of 100% of our userbase. Not the small fractions who check each of the places where news is currently published. > Besides that, I see no arguments why users don't. No proof either. No proof?!? =20 Did you read the original blog posting which kicked this off? Or the thread in the forums where our users claim the Apache upgrade was a surprise - even though this was a well-trailed change? That's just one change. I don't understand the problem from your point of view. No, scratch that. I don't understand your point of view. You're coming across to me as someone who doesn't believe there's a problem that needs solving. I'm tempted to forcibly co-opt you into the PHP team before we put dev-lang/php live. This would allow you to experience the situation for yourself. Maybe that would give you another perspective? ;-) Best regards, Stu --=20 Stuart Herbert stuart@gentoo.org Gentoo Developer http://www.gentoo.org/ http://stu.gnqs.org/diary/ GnuGP key id# F9AFC57C available from http://pgp.mit.edu Key fingerprint =3D 31FB 50D4 1F88 E227 F319 C549 0C2F 80BA F9AF C57C -- --=-+QSiIQzAsxm2ZunrPWZZ Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDc7PJDC+AuvmvxXwRAlBfAKClqJDRMpLwYFqN+6zy38+P3dR/2ACeLY9j E+0OdOSUiXKQJPMQbgfn108= =Avft -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+QSiIQzAsxm2ZunrPWZZ-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list