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From: Stuart Herbert <stuart@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev]  Re: Re: GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two
Date: Thu, 10 Nov 2005 20:55:37 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1131656137.8511.38.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <436FA6DB.1090509@gentoo.org>

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On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 20:11 +0100, Grobian wrote:
> Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> > That's your first misconception right there. Most users don't sign up
> > for things.
> 
> Doesn't matter.

I think it does.  I believe that is the root cause of our difficulty in
getting news to our users.  We rely on our users coming to us to find
the news.  If they don't do that, they don't get the news.

Our aim is to put the news in front of 100% of our userbase.  Not the
small fractions who check each of the places where news is currently
published.

> Besides that, I see no arguments why users don't.  No proof either.

No proof?!?  

Did you read the original blog posting which kicked this off?  Or the
thread in the forums where our users claim the Apache upgrade was a
surprise - even though this was a well-trailed change?  That's just one
change.

I don't understand the problem from your point of view.  No, scratch
that.  I don't understand your point of view.  You're coming across to
me as someone who doesn't believe there's a problem that needs solving.

I'm tempted to forcibly co-opt you into the PHP team before we put
dev-lang/php live.  This would allow you to experience the situation for
yourself.  Maybe that would give you another perspective? ;-)

Best regards,
Stu
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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-10 21:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-05  0:58 [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05  1:24 ` Stephen Bennett
2005-11-05  1:44 ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-05  1:53   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 10:28 ` Grobian
2005-11-05 10:53   ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-05 11:16     ` Grobian
2005-11-05 11:10   ` kloeri
2005-11-05 11:29     ` Grobian
2005-11-05 11:47       ` kloeri
2005-11-05 12:58         ` Grobian
2005-11-05 13:19           ` Bryan Ãstergaard
2005-11-05 14:04             ` Grobian
2005-11-06 20:37           ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-06 21:38             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-06 21:47               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 16:27                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-07 17:03                   ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-07 18:32                     ` Grobian
2005-11-07 18:41                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 19:11                         ` Grobian
2005-11-07 19:51                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 20:13                           ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-10 20:55                           ` Stuart Herbert [this message]
2005-11-11  9:03                             ` Grobian
2005-11-11 11:52                               ` Tres Melton
2005-11-11 22:19                               ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-12  4:39                                 ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-12 15:34                                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-12 16:05                                     ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-12 17:23                                       ` Grobian
2005-11-13 14:55                                       ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-07 19:01                       ` Daniel Ostrow
2005-11-07 19:02                       ` Daniel Ostrow
2005-11-07 19:14                         ` Daniel Ostrow
2005-11-07 20:10                           ` [gentoo-dev] " Grobian
2005-11-07 20:21                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 20:32                             ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-10 21:33                             ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-11  9:19                               ` Grobian
2005-11-11  9:38                                 ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-11 10:10                                   ` Grobian
2005-11-11 15:39                                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-11 15:29                               ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-12 17:16                                 ` [gentoo-dev] " R Hill
2005-11-07 22:10                     ` [gentoo-dev] Re: " Duncan
2005-11-07  7:18               ` [gentoo-dev] " John Myers
2005-11-07 16:17                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-05 17:34   ` [gentoo-dev] " Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 17:58     ` Ferris McCormick
2005-11-05 18:08       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 22:32     ` Grobian
2005-11-05 23:07       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-06  8:33         ` Grobian
2005-11-06 21:56           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07  8:41             ` Grobian
2005-11-07  9:34               ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-07 16:21               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 11:24 ` Brian Harring
2005-11-05 17:45   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 20:29     ` Brian Harring
2005-11-05 23:10       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 11:34 ` Lisa Seelye
2005-11-05 12:08   ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-05 17:46   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 11:43 ` Brian Harring
2005-11-05 17:53   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 19:13     ` Ned Ludd
2005-11-05 20:04       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 13:18 ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-05 13:24   ` Brian Harring
2005-11-05 13:42     ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-05 17:57   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-06  2:44     ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-05 19:24 ` Philip Webb
2005-11-05 20:04   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 22:24     ` Philip Webb
2005-11-05 22:36       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 10:50 ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-07 11:03   ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2005-11-07 16:23   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 20:12     ` Philip Webb
2005-11-07 20:34       ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-07 20:45       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 23:17         ` Philip Webb
2005-11-08  0:41           ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-10 23:12 ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-10 23:35   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-11  0:07     ` Mike Owen
2005-11-11  0:11       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-11  3:52         ` Luca Barbato
2005-11-11  4:09           ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-11  4:27             ` Luca Barbato
2005-11-12 17:22             ` [gentoo-dev] " R Hill
2005-11-11 15:34           ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-11 11:28     ` Benno Schulenberg
2005-11-11 12:48       ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-12  2:27         ` Georgi Georgiev
2005-11-12  7:05           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-11 14:33     ` [gentoo-dev] " Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-11 17:40 ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-11 20:54   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-11 21:09   ` Grant Goodyear
2005-11-12  0:55     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-11 22:37   ` [gentoo-dev] " Stuart Herbert
2005-11-11 23:08     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-14  9:25       ` Thierry Carrez
2005-11-14 14:03         ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-11 23:22     ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-12  0:57       ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-12  8:49         ` Grobian
2005-11-12 11:32           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-12 15:45             ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-12 15:26         ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-13 14:07           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-13 22:34           ` [gentoo-dev] " Stuart Herbert
2005-11-13 23:43             ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-14  0:14               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-14 13:59             ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-18 23:44               ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-19  1:44                 ` George Prowse
2005-11-19  7:41                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-20 18:06                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-20 20:42                   ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-20 21:01                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Dan Meltzer
2005-11-21 14:13                       ` Mint Shows
2005-11-21 20:07                         ` Andrew Muraco

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