From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.50) id 1EZCcU-0003nT-Fu for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:25:30 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id jA7JNK2Y007919; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:23:20 GMT Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [134.68.220.30]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id jA7JJ0DO009816 for ; Mon, 7 Nov 2005 19:19:00 GMT Received: from [65.115.53.39] (helo=[192.168.10.54]) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtpa (Exim 4.43) id 1EZCWC-0004Zf-0x for gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Mon, 07 Nov 2005 19:19:00 +0000 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Re: GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two From: Daniel Ostrow To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <1131390151.7826.20.camel@Memoria.anyarch.net> References: <20051105005814.0de0d8ff@snowdrop.home> <436C8951.4010008@gentoo.org> <20051105111006.GA14844@kloeri> <436C9798.5020805@gentoo.org> <20051105114729.GB14844@kloeri> <436CAC58.4090809@gentoo.org> <1131309435.8543.16.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> <20051106214747.4e6a9cff@snowdrop.home> <1131382994.8546.34.camel@mogheiden.gnqs.org> <436F9DC6.8040106@gentoo.org> <1131390151.7826.20.camel@Memoria.anyarch.net> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: The Gentoo Foundation Date: Mon, 07 Nov 2005 14:14:41 -0500 Message-Id: <1131390881.7826.24.camel@Memoria.anyarch.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.3 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 75d9985f-675c-4ede-a027-0e15a301411a X-Archives-Hash: 5efaf5c8cddbbbd83ea4c7f930e7118a On Mon, 2005-11-07 at 14:02 -0500, Daniel Ostrow wrote: > [snip] > > > After going through the list, I got the impression there is simply no > > place where such messages clearly would go. gentoo-announce sounds as > > the best option to go for, but its description somehow suggests not. > > Though, subscribed to gentoo-announce means you get nothing but GLSA > > announcements and sometimes a new release announcements. > > > > So, what list should the user that wants to receive those **important** > > messages sign up to? > > I still think that *this* is the reason why people don't seem to know > > about the important changes, because there is no obvious place where to > > get them. It's quite likely that a user that wanted to see the > > new-style apache message didn't see it because it simply didn't appear > > on a list the user hoped to see it. It was in the GWN of 2005-09-12, > > but I can imagine a user didn't expect it to be there, as there is no > > description at al for GWN list, and the **important** information will > > always have to be extracted from the GWN, since each GWN covers multiple > > items in a few categories which not every user might interest. > > > > Send **important** messages separate to a non-discussion mailing list, > > and I'm sure that many people will be happy to read it -- just like > > gentoo-announce. > > [/snip] > > Above and beyond Ciaran's point... > > You are correct, there is no clear cut place for them to go...that's how > this thing got started in the first place. However why force users to > sign up for something which can't be appropriately filtered (installed > packages, keywords, use flags, profiles, etc.) when all of them are > already "signed up" for something that can track and filter, portage. > > I wouldn't necessarily bother signing up for an errata list if said list > was going to provide me with *all* the errata out there. The reason that > a mailing list works for RedHat is because RHN tracks what packages you > have installed on your system on *their* server (again something you > have to sign up for, and worse send them info about your configuration), > so the filtering is done for you. We will *never* do something like > this, we have a client side tool that can identify what is installed > already...why not use it? Err...sorry for the double post...mail client error. Oh...and before anyone goes nuts...note I said "why force users to sign up" to such a list *not* "we will not provide such a list". -- Daniel Ostrow Gentoo Foundation Board of Trustees Gentoo/{PPC,PPC64,DevRel} dostrow@gentoo.org -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list