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From: Lisa Seelye <lisa@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Cc: glep@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two
Date: Sat, 05 Nov 2005 11:34:23 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1131190463.13050.29.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20051105005814.0de0d8ff@snowdrop.home>

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On Sat, 2005-11-05 at 00:58 +0000, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:
> Feedback from people who have something useful to say would be very much
> welcomed, assuming of course that they've read the GLEP.


It is written in the GLEP (Requirements):

No user monitoring required
    It has already been demonstrated [#forums-whining]_ that many users
do not read news items posted to the Gentoo website, or do not read news
items until it is too late. A solution that relies upon active
monitoring of a particular source has no advantage over current methods.

And later in Specification->Overview:

5. Users fetch the news item when they sync. This ensures that the news
items in question are pushed to the user before the user accidentally
makes an unwanted change. No changes to the existing rsync process are
required by this GLEP.

My concerns are twofold:

The first is the method of delivery:  Through 'emerge sync', which
requires that users run this on a regular basis to receive relevant
news.  Further, this process can take a very long time and transfers a
relatively large amount of data along with the news.

My second concern is the frequency that users sync.  A stated concern is
getting news to users before it is too late.  Is there any way to gauge
the number of unique users which sync on a regular basis?  When is "too
late"?  Is there an acceptable window for delivering news?  It is not
uncommon for me to refrain from running emerge sync (or even cvs up on
the entire gentoo-x86 tree) for weeks or months on machines I wish to
keep somewhat static.

-- 
Regards,
Lisa Seelye
GPG: 09CF5 2D6B8 2B72B 997A7 601BC B46B5 561E4 96FC5
http://www.thedoh.com/~lisa/site

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2005-11-05 11:37 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 127+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2005-11-05  0:58 [gentoo-dev] GLEP 42 "Critical News Reporting" Round Two Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05  1:24 ` Stephen Bennett
2005-11-05  1:44 ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-05  1:53   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 10:28 ` Grobian
2005-11-05 10:53   ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-05 11:16     ` Grobian
2005-11-05 11:10   ` kloeri
2005-11-05 11:29     ` Grobian
2005-11-05 11:47       ` kloeri
2005-11-05 12:58         ` Grobian
2005-11-05 13:19           ` Bryan Ãstergaard
2005-11-05 14:04             ` Grobian
2005-11-06 20:37           ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-06 21:38             ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-06 21:47               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 16:27                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-07 17:03                   ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-07 18:32                     ` Grobian
2005-11-07 18:41                       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 19:11                         ` Grobian
2005-11-07 19:51                           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 20:13                           ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-10 20:55                           ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-11  9:03                             ` Grobian
2005-11-11 11:52                               ` Tres Melton
2005-11-11 22:19                               ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-12  4:39                                 ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-12 15:34                                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-12 16:05                                     ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-12 17:23                                       ` Grobian
2005-11-13 14:55                                       ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-07 19:01                       ` Daniel Ostrow
2005-11-07 19:02                       ` Daniel Ostrow
2005-11-07 19:14                         ` Daniel Ostrow
2005-11-07 20:10                           ` [gentoo-dev] " Grobian
2005-11-07 20:21                             ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 20:32                             ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-10 21:33                             ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-11  9:19                               ` Grobian
2005-11-11  9:38                                 ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-11 10:10                                   ` Grobian
2005-11-11 15:39                                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-11 15:29                               ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-12 17:16                                 ` [gentoo-dev] " R Hill
2005-11-07 22:10                     ` [gentoo-dev] Re: " Duncan
2005-11-07  7:18               ` [gentoo-dev] " John Myers
2005-11-07 16:17                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-05 17:34   ` [gentoo-dev] " Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 17:58     ` Ferris McCormick
2005-11-05 18:08       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 22:32     ` Grobian
2005-11-05 23:07       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-06  8:33         ` Grobian
2005-11-06 21:56           ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07  8:41             ` Grobian
2005-11-07  9:34               ` Re[2]: " Jakub Moc
2005-11-07 16:21               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 11:24 ` Brian Harring
2005-11-05 17:45   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 20:29     ` Brian Harring
2005-11-05 23:10       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 11:34 ` Lisa Seelye [this message]
2005-11-05 12:08   ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-05 17:46   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 11:43 ` Brian Harring
2005-11-05 17:53   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 19:13     ` Ned Ludd
2005-11-05 20:04       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 13:18 ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-05 13:24   ` Brian Harring
2005-11-05 13:42     ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-05 17:57   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-06  2:44     ` Jason Stubbs
2005-11-05 19:24 ` Philip Webb
2005-11-05 20:04   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-05 22:24     ` Philip Webb
2005-11-05 22:36       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 10:50 ` Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-07 11:03   ` Henrik Brix Andersen
2005-11-07 16:23   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 20:12     ` Philip Webb
2005-11-07 20:34       ` Jan Kundrát
2005-11-07 20:45       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-07 23:17         ` Philip Webb
2005-11-08  0:41           ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-10 23:12 ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-10 23:35   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-11  0:07     ` Mike Owen
2005-11-11  0:11       ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-11  3:52         ` Luca Barbato
2005-11-11  4:09           ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-11  4:27             ` Luca Barbato
2005-11-12 17:22             ` [gentoo-dev] " R Hill
2005-11-11 15:34           ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-11 11:28     ` Benno Schulenberg
2005-11-11 12:48       ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-12  2:27         ` Georgi Georgiev
2005-11-12  7:05           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-11 14:33     ` [gentoo-dev] " Paul de Vrieze
2005-11-11 17:40 ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-11 20:54   ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-11 21:09   ` Grant Goodyear
2005-11-12  0:55     ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-11 22:37   ` [gentoo-dev] " Stuart Herbert
2005-11-11 23:08     ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-14  9:25       ` Thierry Carrez
2005-11-14 14:03         ` Marius Mauch
2005-11-11 23:22     ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-12  0:57       ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-12  8:49         ` Grobian
2005-11-12 11:32           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-12 15:45             ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-12 15:26         ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-13 14:07           ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-13 22:34           ` [gentoo-dev] " Stuart Herbert
2005-11-13 23:43             ` Dan Meltzer
2005-11-14  0:14               ` Ciaran McCreesh
2005-11-14 13:59             ` Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-18 23:44               ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-19  1:44                 ` George Prowse
2005-11-19  7:41                   ` [gentoo-dev] " Duncan
2005-11-20 18:06                 ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris Gianelloni
2005-11-20 20:42                   ` Stuart Herbert
2005-11-20 21:01                     ` [gentoo-dev] " Dan Meltzer
2005-11-21 14:13                       ` Mint Shows
2005-11-21 20:07                         ` Andrew Muraco

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