From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1EHe9A-0000fO-Pi for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:10:41 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with SMTP id j8K94EMd015731; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:04:14 GMT Received: from ctb-mesg6.saix.net (ctb-mesg6.saix.net [196.25.240.86]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.5/8.13.5) with ESMTP id j8K92aUi025515 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 09:02:37 GMT Received: from gateway.lan (wblv-146-238-87.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.238.87]) by ctb-mesg6.saix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id CEB0C6F5D for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:08:19 +0200 (SAST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gateway.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id B91283A248E for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:42:32 +0200 (SAST) Received: from gateway.lan ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gateway.lan [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 06944-06 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:42:21 +0200 (SAST) Received: from lycan.lan (lycan.lan [192.168.0.5]) (using TLSv1 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gateway.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 290FE3A241D for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 10:42:21 +0200 (SAST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [RFC] C++ herd proposal From: Martin Schlemmer To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: References: <20050920053718.GA28292@ols-dell.iic.hokudai.ac.jp> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-OGhfQ+ZPrh3FFEA2FHLr" Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 11:09:14 +0200 Message-Id: <1127207354.5006.114.camel@lycan.lan> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.4.0 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at nosferatu.za.org X-Archives-Salt: 5033a08c-ee32-4817-b3e2-532be26f76fc X-Archives-Hash: 67077445b87daccf47103cbe114cc04b --=-OGhfQ+ZPrh3FFEA2FHLr Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2005-09-20 at 08:54 +0200, Kevin F. Quinn wrote: > On 20/9/2005 7:37:19, Georgi Georgiev (chutz@gg3.net) wrote: > > maillog: 20/09/2005-07:21:08(+0200): Christian Parpart types > > > On Monday 19 September 2005 15:22, warnera6 wrote: > > > > Mark Loeser wrote: > > > > > Paul de Vrieze wrote: > > > > >> I think that dev-util is a very specific category containing > > > > >> development utilities of some sort. There might be some > > > > >> misclassifications in them, but from a user perspective I don't=20 > > > > >> really care about the language anything is written in. As C++ is= so > > > > >> widespread I don't think that anything but app-misc or the like=20 > > > > >> should be moved into a dev-cpp category. > > > > > > > > > > This isn't for what the package is written in, but more for what = the > > > > > package is for. If the package is a utility for use when doing=20 > > > > > coding with C++, like the ones I listed, then I think it should b= e=20 > > > > > in dev-cpp. That's what the metadata for the category describes = it=20 > > > > >to be.=20 > > > > > Mark > > > > > > > > Once again I'd like to point out that organizing packages in the tr= ee=20 > > > > by category is a stupid idea for this very reason. > > >=20 > > > and what's *your* certain proposal then? > >=20 > > That's been discussed a number of times already. The best idea is to > > leave the categories alone and forget that the category means anything. > > Or, to throw the ball back in your court, could *you* suggest > > alternatives that accomplish the following: > >=20 > > (quoting [1]:) > >=20 > > More precisely, what I'd like to see, in order of preference, is > >=20 > > - that package in my overlay that has net-wireless/gnome-phone-manager > > in its *DEPENDs to work for as long as needed > > - the net-wireless/gnome-phone-manager that I have in my overlay to wor= k > > for as long as needed > > - my net-wireless/gnome-phone-manager binary packages to work without > > having to be "fixpackage"d > > - the location of the ebuilds for net-wireless/gnome-phone-manager to > > stay in the same physical path on my filesystem=20 > >=20 > > end quote > > I would grade the above features as "vital", "badly needed", "happy to > > see it done", "cosmetic". I.e., even solving only the first one is > > enough, though if you could get to number two it would be better. >=20 >=20 > Here's another requirement I'd like to add to the list: >=20 > - when moving stuff around, change history moves too >=20 > CVS doesn't support this, but subversion does (along with atomic commits, > also useful to ensure integrity of the tree during a move). The support > for symlinks in subversion may also provide a way to resolve the overlay > problem... >=20 Technically it does support it if said developer gets Infra to move it server side .... some nasty side effects, etc, but lots better than our current situation where some bright spark removed most if not all history of stuff that was moved :/ --=20 Martin Schlemmer --=-OGhfQ+ZPrh3FFEA2FHLr Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBDL9G6qburzKaJYLYRAomrAJ9Kex3LefggpUtCiUXMPfQmXOq5RQCfQISR 4gJqZaLxNbEtgF1qiH6yjWQ= =Ic1w -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-OGhfQ+ZPrh3FFEA2FHLr-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list