From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from lists.gentoo.org ([140.105.134.102] helo=robin.gentoo.org) by nuthatch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.43) id 1DqxpP-00047E-QW for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 08 Jul 2005 18:44:00 +0000 Received: from robin.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with SMTP id j68IhCaP019235; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:43:12 GMT Received: from ctb-mesg2.saix.net (ctb-mesg2.saix.net [196.25.240.82]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j68IfUu2005806 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 18:41:31 GMT Received: from gateway.lan (wblv-146-200-204.telkomadsl.co.za [165.146.200.204]) by ctb-mesg2.saix.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 891A96DDC for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:41:40 +0200 (SAST) Received: from localhost (localhost.localdomain [127.0.0.1]) by gateway.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 45B0B3A2482 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:50:57 +0200 (SAST) Received: from gateway.lan ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gateway.lan [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id 11838-12 for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:50:48 +0200 (SAST) Received: from lycan.lan (lycan.lan [192.168.0.5]) (using SSLv3 with cipher RC4-MD5 (128/128 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by gateway.lan (Postfix) with ESMTP id 779CB3A247B for ; Fri, 8 Jul 2005 20:50:48 +0200 (SAST) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] devfs is dead, let's move on From: Martin Schlemmer To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20050708170645.GC29606@kroah.com> References: <20050706224651.GA19853@kroah.com> <1120744545.6560.18.camel@lycan.lan> <20050707205236.GB30988@kroah.com> <1120778544.27435.25.camel@lycan.lan> <20050708170645.GC29606@kroah.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-HrpkluZuLx41mHnLtaUS" Organization: Gentoo Foundation Date: Fri, 08 Jul 2005 20:43:14 +0200 Message-Id: <1120848194.27435.50.camel@lycan.lan> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.1.1 X-Virus-Scanned: by amavisd-new using ClamAV at nosferatu.za.org X-Archives-Salt: 829b2775-0bb6-44ad-9af2-44d5bc76eaf9 X-Archives-Hash: b1cb6b4f70c152fe555d9a6c1c352e5d --=-HrpkluZuLx41mHnLtaUS Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2005-07-08 at 10:06 -0700, Greg KH wrote: > On Fri, Jul 08, 2005 at 01:22:24AM +0200, Martin Schlemmer wrote: > > On Thu, 2005-07-07 at 13:52 -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > > On Thu, Jul 07, 2005 at 03:55:45PM +0200, Martin Schlemmer wrote: > > > > On Wed, 2005-07-06 at 15:46 -0700, Greg KH wrote: > > > > > Ok, now that devfs is removed from the 2.6 kernel tree[1], I thin= k it's > > > > > time to start to revisit some of the /dev naming rules that we cu= rrently > > > > > are living with[2]. > > > > >=20 > > > > > To start with, the 061 version of udev offers a big memory saving= s if > > > > > you use the "default" kernel name of a device[3]. If you do that= , it does > > > > > not create a file in its database in /dev/.udevdb/ > > > > >=20 > > > > > If we can move away from some of our devfs-like names, we stand t= o > > > > > reclaim a lot of memory from everyone's machines. As an example,= if we > > > > > drop all of the tty/pts/vc/vcc symlinks, and just go with the def= ault > > > > > kernel name, we save 2.5Mb of space in tempfs/ramfs. I've done t= his on > > > > > my machines and everything seems to work just fine (it looks like > > > > > everything that was trying to use a tty node was just using the s= ymlink > > > > > anyway.) > > > > >=20 > > > > > So, anyone have any objections to me changing the default udev na= ming > > > > > scheme in this manner? > > > > >=20 > > > >=20 > > > > Fine with me. I assume we will need to keep the rcscript support f= or > > > > those die-hard 2.4 users still, but hopefully we can eventually dro= p > > > > that as well. > > >=20 > > > What rcscript support? > > >=20 > >=20 > > Err, sorry, all the crap in /sbin/rc ... >=20 > Heh, yes. While looking in there, I was wondering if anyone would > object to splitting the udev and devfs stuff out of the main rc script, > like other parts have been split out? That way I could bundle the udev > portions in the udev package and then keep them up to date (like the > "save modified device nodes logic") ? >=20 Hmm, the udev stuff should be fine, as we can probably do that via addons. The devfs stuff might be more of an issue, except if I leave the devfsd restart stuff where it is (don't think it should be an issue). I'll whip something up over the weekend ... Thanks, --=20 Martin Schlemmer Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop/System Team Developer Cape Town, South Africa --=-HrpkluZuLx41mHnLtaUS Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCzslCqburzKaJYLYRAl7lAJ4/hLAjqVJZJvlP7ja3IvKm/yenIACgjRP3 CUg7uya3xDsvBCmxQNx1MBI= =/7fJ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-HrpkluZuLx41mHnLtaUS-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list