[gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[Mark S Petrovic]

Good day.

I am about to embark on a serious project and I am considering Gentoo
as the platform.  My luck with installation, on which I've spent several
solid days, thus far has been mixed, and I'm willing to hold off believing
it's not just me.  I suspect Gentoo works, but thus far just not for me.
But I see the promise it holds.

Is there a principal Gentoo developer in Northern or Southern California
(preferred) to whom I can pay a visit to gain a deeper understanding of
who the Gentoo team is, what they are trying to accomplish, and how?

Thanks.

Mark

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[Jonathan Smith]

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Mark S Petrovic wrote:
> Is there a principal Gentoo developer in Northern or Southern California
> (preferred) to whom I can pay a visit to gain a deeper understanding of
> who the Gentoo team is, what they are trying to accomplish, and how?

If you have any questions, I am sure the mailing list or developers on
IRC would be glad to answer you... However, you might have a hard time
finding a dev to make a housecall.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[Michael Cummings]

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If you'll settle for email instead of a visit, I'm sure there's 
[number_of_devs+1] * opinions on what's being attempted/accomplished that 
could be sent your way :)



On Wednesday 15 June 2005 01:10 pm, Mark S Petrovic wrote:
> Good day.
>
> I am about to embark on a serious project and I am considering Gentoo
> as the platform.  My luck with installation, on which I've spent several
> solid days, thus far has been mixed, and I'm willing to hold off believing
> it's not just me.  I suspect Gentoo works, but thus far just not for me.
> But I see the promise it holds.
>
> Is there a principal Gentoo developer in Northern or Southern California
> (preferred) to whom I can pay a visit to gain a deeper understanding of
> who the Gentoo team is, what they are trying to accomplish, and how?
>
> Thanks.
>
> Mark
>
> --
> Research and Development
> EarthLink, Inc.
> Pasadena, CA

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[Donnie Berkholz]

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Mark S Petrovic wrote:
> I am about to embark on a serious project and I am considering Gentoo
> as the platform.  My luck with installation, on which I've spent several
> solid days, thus far has been mixed, and I'm willing to hold off believing
> it's not just me.  I suspect Gentoo works, but thus far just not for me.
> But I see the promise it holds.

Good to hear it!

> Is there a principal Gentoo developer in Northern or Southern California
> (preferred) to whom I can pay a visit to gain a deeper understanding of
> who the Gentoo team is, what they are trying to accomplish, and how?

I just checked out the developer list [1], and it surprised me how few
people we have in California now. One I might call "principal" is Jeremy
Huddleston, who's at Berkeley. But I don't want to volunteer him for you. =)

There are also a few of us farther up the coast at Oregon State or
around that area, including Corey Shields and me.

Also it's worth noting that none of us are doing this full-time, so you
wouldn't be visiting a Gentoo office or anything like that -- more like
somebody's home.

I suspect you'd have more luck via either e-mail or phone.

Thanks,
Donnie

1. http://www.gentoo.org/proj/en/devrel/roll-call/userinfo.xml
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[Dennis Allison]

There is a learning curve, but on the whole gentoo is my distribution of 
choice.  You may find it helpful to do a stage3 installation before you
attempt a stage1 installation.  Vanilla stage3 installations take much 
less time and give you the opportunity to learn the process.


On Wed, 15 Jun 2005, Michael Cummings wrote:

> If you'll settle for email instead of a visit, I'm sure there's 
> [number_of_devs+1] * opinions on what's being attempted/accomplished that 
> could be sent your way :)
> 
> 
> 
> On Wednesday 15 June 2005 01:10 pm, Mark S Petrovic wrote:
> > Good day.
> >
> > I am about to embark on a serious project and I am considering Gentoo
> > as the platform.  My luck with installation, on which I've spent several
> > solid days, thus far has been mixed, and I'm willing to hold off believing
> > it's not just me.  I suspect Gentoo works, but thus far just not for me.
> > But I see the promise it holds.
> >
> > Is there a principal Gentoo developer in Northern or Southern California
> > (preferred) to whom I can pay a visit to gain a deeper understanding of
> > who the Gentoo team is, what they are trying to accomplish, and how?
> >
> > Thanks.
> >
> > Mark
> >
> > --
> > Research and Development
> > EarthLink, Inc.
> > Pasadena, CA
> 
> 


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 10:10 -0700, Mark S Petrovic wrote:
> Good day.
> 
> I am about to embark on a serious project and I am considering Gentoo
> as the platform.  My luck with installation, on which I've spent several
> solid days, thus far has been mixed, and I'm willing to hold off believing
> it's not just me.  I suspect Gentoo works, but thus far just not for me.
> But I see the promise it holds.

Well, it seems to work for quite a few people.  The best method for
installation is to follow the Gentoo Handbook to the letter.

> Is there a principal Gentoo developer in Northern or Southern California
> (preferred) to whom I can pay a visit to gain a deeper understanding of
> who the Gentoo team is, what they are trying to accomplish, and how?

Gentoo does not have "principal developers" in the sense that you might
be accustomed to, as we are all given equal rights within Gentoo.  We
are all volunteers, and not paid employees of some company.  There also
is not much in the way of a single direction that guides Gentoo, as we
are a metadistribution, designed to allow our users to use Gentoo in the
manner that they see fit.  We have developers that are specifically
dedicated to working on Gentoo in the enterprise.  We have developers
dedicated to improving Gentoo in the embedded space.  We have developers
dedicated to gaming on Gentoo.  We have developers dedicated to Gentoo
as a desktop.

The real question that needs to be asked is what do you want Gentoo to
do for you.

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Release Engineering - Strategic Lead/QA Manager
Games - Developer
Gentoo Linux

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[Daniel Armyr]

Or do like the rest of us did when we started and ask speciffic questions on the forums. Well frmulated questions usually recieve answers withing a few hours, sometimes even less. 

--DA

On Wed, 15 Jun 2005 13:15:26 -0400
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> Mark S Petrovic wrote:
> > Is there a principal Gentoo developer in Northern or Southern California
> > (preferred) to whom I can pay a visit to gain a deeper understanding of
> > who the Gentoo team is, what they are trying to accomplish, and how?
> 
> If you have any questions, I am sure the mailing list or developers on
> IRC would be glad to answer you... However, you might have a hard time
> finding a dev to make a housecall.
> 
> - -smithj
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[Michael Cummings]

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On Wednesday 15 June 2005 13:26, Dennis Allison wrote:
> There is a learning curve, but on the whole gentoo is my distribution of
> choice.  You may find it helpful to do a stage3 installation before you
> attempt a stage1 installation.  Vanilla stage3 installations take much
> less time and give you the opportunity to learn the process.

(some of us not involved with catalyst type builds still start with stage3 
most times ;)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 17:38 -0400, Michael Cummings wrote:
> On Wednesday 15 June 2005 13:26, Dennis Allison wrote:
> > There is a learning curve, but on the whole gentoo is my distribution of
> > choice.  You may find it helpful to do a stage3 installation before you
> > attempt a stage1 installation.  Vanilla stage3 installations take much
> > less time and give you the opportunity to learn the process.
> 
> (some of us not involved with catalyst type builds still start with stage3 
> most times ;)

Those of us definitely involved with catalyst type builds always start
with a stage3, since it saves a lot of time and the end result is no
different once you've made your customizations and run an "emerge -e
world".

Besides, we spend enough time building from stage1 over and over and
over again for each release.  Why do it again on our machines when we
install?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[M. Edward (Ed) Borasky]

I'm not a developer ... and I'm not in California ... but I am a Gentoo
bigot and I'm certainly willing to help out ... as are most Gentoo
users/developers. The documentation and forums are excellent, as are the
IRC channels.

As far as installation is concerned, the complexity pretty much depends
on whether you want to dual-boot with some other OS and whether or not
you have a floppy disk drive :). If you don't want to dual-boot and you
have a floppy, you can do the whole install (stage1 or stage3) from
shell scripts on the floppy and just sit and watch.

It gets a little trickier if you only have a CD; you have to boot the
install CD with the "docache" option, then unmount it, load your install
scripts from a CD, then put the install CD back in to copy the stage3
tarball and Portage snapshot. If you have two CD drives, it gets simple
again :).

The most complex case is if you want to preserve an existing OS. First,
you have to back it up, so if you nuke it, you can restore it. Then you
have to move partitions around, etc. But once you've got the hard drive
partitioned the way you want it, everything else is automatable.

Mark S Petrovic wrote:

>Good day.
>
>I am about to embark on a serious project and I am considering Gentoo
>as the platform.  My luck with installation, on which I've spent several
>solid days, thus far has been mixed, and I'm willing to hold off believing
>it's not just me.  I suspect Gentoo works, but thus far just not for me.
>But I see the promise it holds.
>
>Is there a principal Gentoo developer in Northern or Southern California
>(preferred) to whom I can pay a visit to gain a deeper understanding of
>who the Gentoo team is, what they are trying to accomplish, and how?
>
>Thanks.
>
>Mark
>
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>  
>
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[Jonathan Smith]

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M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> I'm not a developer ... and I'm not in California ... but I am a Gentoo
> bigot and I'm certainly willing to help out ... as are most Gentoo
> users/developers.
> [snip]

I know that I can't speak for all the developers, but I for one am
slightly offended by being called a "Gentoo bigot". I work on Gentoo
because I love doing it, and I believe it helps people, but if those
people use something else (another distro, *BSD, Solaris, OSX, even
Windows) and it works for _them_, then so be it...

As for the rest of your email, that information is readily available
from the Gentoo Documentation Project, and in a much more readable and
detailed format.

- -smithj
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[Michael Tindal]

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Jonathan Smith wrote:
> M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> 
>>>I'm not a developer ... and I'm not in California ... but I am a Gentoo
>>>bigot and I'm certainly willing to help out ... as are most Gentoo
>>>users/developers.
>>>[snip]
> 
> 
> I know that I can't speak for all the developers, but I for one am
> slightly offended by being called a "Gentoo bigot". I work on Gentoo
> because I love doing it, and I believe it helps people, but if those
> people use something else (another distro, *BSD, Solaris, OSX, even
> Windows) and it works for _them_, then so be it...
> 
> As for the rest of your email, that information is readily available
> from the Gentoo Documentation Project, and in a much more readable and
> detailed format.
> 
> -smithj

It is rather offensive to myself as well, for the reasons detailed
above.  Please keep such comments to yourself and try to be less
condescending in your responses in a public forum.

Mike Tindal

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[Martin Schlemmer]

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On Wed, 2005-06-15 at 22:36 -0500, Michael Tindal wrote:
> Jonathan Smith wrote:
> > M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
> > 
> >>>I'm not a developer ... and I'm not in California ... but I am a Gentoo
> >>>bigot and I'm certainly willing to help out ... as are most Gentoo
> >>>users/developers.
> >>>[snip]
> > 
> > 
> > I know that I can't speak for all the developers, but I for one am
> > slightly offended by being called a "Gentoo bigot". I work on Gentoo
> > because I love doing it, and I believe it helps people, but if those
> > people use something else (another distro, *BSD, Solaris, OSX, even
> > Windows) and it works for _them_, then so be it...
> > 
> > As for the rest of your email, that information is readily available
> > from the Gentoo Documentation Project, and in a much more readable and
> > detailed format.
> > 
> > -smithj
> 
> It is rather offensive to myself as well, for the reasons detailed
> above.  Please keep such comments to yourself and try to be less
> condescending in your responses in a public forum.
> 

And I am slightly offended by both of you, as he clearly was saying that
_he_ is a Gentoo bigot.  Please reread something 3 or 4 times before
taking offence (and then sleep on it before replying).


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Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop/System Team Developer
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[gentoo-dev] Re: Acquiring a deeper understanding of Gentoo

[Mark S Petrovic]

On 15Jun, Mark S Petrovic wrote:
> Is there a principal Gentoo developer in Northern or Southern California
> (preferred) to whom I can pay a visit to gain a deeper understanding of
> who the Gentoo team is, what they are trying to accomplish, and how?

Thank you for the many replies offering help in various forms.  They were
all respectful and speak well of who you are.  With them, I'm sure I
will find what I'm looking for.

Mark
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