Re: [gentoo-dev] a #g-d first impression might represent process and metastructure

[Lance Albertson <ramereth@gentoo.org>]

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On Wed, 2005-06-08 at 21:45 -0400, Stephen P. Becker wrote:
> > I was up late on a friday evening hacking up a nifty addition to my
> > system and in my excitement and exuberance jumped on IRC to the dev
> > channel to get pointers to the best "official" references to ebuild
> > crafting and submission.
> > 
> > As it was absolutely silent, I waited a few minutes and requested voice
> > from the first notice of motion i saw in the channel.. "re", or some
> > similar indication of important offical business commencing.  I was
> > informed that the bottom line was voice was only granted to developers,
> > period, end of story, no exceptions, and I was obviously misinformed and
> > should be elsewhere.  Instead of anything like assistance I wound up
> > being told
> > 1) (condescension) it was people like me who try to skirt the gentoo
> > process which are actually the problem even if we think it's contributing,
> > 2)these important people in this channel are only here so that they can
> > occasionally ping each other and see thier nickname had been highlighted.
> > 3) that under no circumstance was I going to get an audience in
> > #gentoo-dev, now or in future context, because it was for developers,
> > and regardless of 20 years coding experience or working on linux since
> > 0.99, I was not a developer
> > 4) I could feel free to file a bug if I thought there was an issue, or
> > talk to a recruiter about something to help out with.
> > 
> 
> Without hearing the other side of the story or seeing a transcript of
> the conversation, it is hard to say whether whoever this was reacted
> properly or not, however I would say they have a major stick up their
> ass.  Don't assume everybody in #gentoo-dev would have reacted to your
> query the same way.  For example, people have asked me for voice a few
> times, and I grant it to them if their question or concern actually has
> to do with development of gentoo.  If the request amounts to user
> support, I tell them to try #gentoo or bugzilla.
> 
> In any case, if they said voice was only granted to developers, they are
> dead wrong.  Developers have ops, while developers in training or
> wannabe developers are typically granted voice.

I would have to agree with Stephen on this. There are a few developers
that would snap like that, but don't assume we're all like that. I'm not
sure if IRC would have been the best place to present you 'awesome' new
thing. A better idea would probably be to post a thread on this mailing
list to get more exposure. Of course, you could include your nickname
for IRC, but this or the forums would be a great place to get 'noticed'
per say if it really would be something to add to Gentoo.

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Lance Albertson <ramereth@gentoo.org>
Gentoo Infrastructure | Operations Manager

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