From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp05.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (smtp.nuvox.net [64.89.70.9]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j57M5YU5031409 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 22:05:34 GMT Received: from cgianelloni.nuvox.net (216.215.202.4.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.4]) by smtp05.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j57M6bQs023002 for ; Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:06:37 -0400 Received: by cgianelloni.nuvox.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Tue, 7 Jun 2005 18:05:39 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] where goes Gentoo? From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20050606235550.GL9084@kaf.zko.hp.com> References: <20050606235550.GL9084@kaf.zko.hp.com> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-kUJBHzy84gb739EGJOCT" Organization: Gentoo Linux Date: Tue, 07 Jun 2005 18:05:38 -0400 Message-Id: <1118181939.19008.13.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.2 X-Archives-Salt: 62ed3185-efaf-4dd2-bc89-c5863baab6b8 X-Archives-Hash: ebcdd3fe9eaf176ed823d7b2b94b88ed --=-kUJBHzy84gb739EGJOCT Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, 2005-06-06 at 19:55 -0400, Aron Griffis wrote: > This is kinda bloggish, because it's basically a transcription of an > IRC monologue. My apologies if it's hard to follow... Nonetheless, > I'm interested in how other developers feel on the topics I bring up > below. > Also I find it amusing when people say that Gentoo exists for the > users. I think that is wrong. Gentoo exists for the *developers*. This is the reason why *I* use/develop Gentoo. I love it. I could care less if every single user we have drops us for Ubuntu. I would still develop Gentoo so long as it is still fun. > It's our playground, and it's the reason we use a live tree rather > than switching to an actually sane approach. The users are cool > because they point out bugs, help solve problems on bugzilla, suggest > enhancements, provide patches, and notify us of package updates. > Sometimes they become developers. But the truth is that Gentoo sees > improvement and maintenance in the areas that appeal to the > developers. And that is why Gentoo exists for the developers first, > the users second. Well, Aron, I honestly think that you've hit the nail on the head. I never have been able to grasp how people could think Gentoo could ever become a serious player in the corporate world of suits and guys with nice hair and fake white teeth. Do we really want to go there? Do we really need to start sending out assclowns in suits to shake hands with a bunch of clueless corporate types, then schmooze them over golf just to get people to use Gentoo? What ever happened to "because it's friggin' cool"? Don't get me wrong, I love our users. That being said, I work on Gentoo not because of them, but because of *myself* and *my* personal itches. It just so happens that there's a group of guys out there that seem to want similar things, so we've banded together as this loose group of developers, determined to make the best damn Linux *for us* that we can. If suits want to use it, great! If not, well, they weren't paying the bills anyway, so frag 'em! *grin* --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead/QA Manager Games - Developer Gentoo Linux --=-kUJBHzy84gb739EGJOCT Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCphoykT4lNIS36YERAgRtAJ0fldaFfb7ZC+yBTmckS5/znGCfggCfdgZu /fRYm2B9EAD1EUQjTM6rPN8= =Mu8F -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-kUJBHzy84gb739EGJOCT-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list