From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from skinny.southernlinux.net (ns2.rednecks.net [64.192.52.5]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j55LvD7h006550 for ; Sun, 5 Jun 2005 21:57:29 GMT Received: (qmail 3192 invoked by uid 210); 5 Jun 2005 17:57:11 -0400 Received: from 10.10.10.188 by skinny (envelope-from , uid 201) with qmail-scanner-1.25st (clamdscan: 0.82/912. f-prot: 4.4.2/3.14.11. spamassassin: 3.0.2. perlscan: 1.25st. Clear:RC:1(10.10.10.188):. Processed in 0.059416 secs); 05 Jun 2005 21:57:11 -0000 Received: from unknown (HELO ?10.10.10.188?) (10.10.10.188) by 0 with SMTP; 5 Jun 2005 17:57:10 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Proposal: sys-pam category From: Ned Ludd To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <42A3672F.1090304@ieee.org> References: <200506051622.24240@enterprise.flameeyes.is-a-geek.org> <1117985871.30949.13.camel@localhost> <42A32997.3010502@sdf-eu.org> <1117989777.13069.4.camel@rivendell> <42A3358B.20802@ieee.org> <1117995239.17948.21.camel@localhost> <42A3672F.1090304@ieee.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sun, 05 Jun 2005 17:55:22 -0400 Message-Id: <1118008522.2711.30.camel@localhost> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.2.1.1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: 541ab281-3ace-4e8d-b6a2-cafd8a6d2e8e X-Archives-Hash: 27745d8476e7ec77bc02b4f0c98d93ae On Sun, 2005-06-05 at 16:57 -0400, Nathan L. Adams wrote: > -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- > Hash: SHA1 > > Ned Ludd wrote: > > *poof* we now reshuffle, but then we can do auth with ldap. So lets > > move > > all the */ldap* related subjects under it sys-auth/... Then a month or > > six later comes along sys-ldap and it gets moved there. The logic will > > go full circle before long if we consistently keep shuffling packages > > around. > > > > All in all this is seriously the reason why ebuilds have a DESCRIPTION= > > and one of the reasons we have metadata.xml files. > > > > Well obviously there needs to be a consensus on *how* to logically > organize things before anyone goes willy nilly changing stuff. Do you > group by what the package is used for (email vs. game vs. web browser) > or by what it is built from (PERL stuff, Gnome apps, KDE apps). It > appears that currently its a mix. Is that documented anywhere? You raise a good point and sadly that is the unfortunate thing here.. There is no clear consensus right now and we have yet to really have a fruitful thread on the subject. I not aware of any intelligent documentation on this subject either. > I personally think the organization should be from an end-user > perspective as much as possible. Imagine for a moment that you are a > Genewbie (new Gentoo user). You have a new minimal installation and you > want to add some applications. How do you know what your choices are for > an email client, for instance? You could find most things here: > Again, I think better > organization and improved tools are both worth while. I fully agree with you on improved tools and would rather see us go this route before we end up with >300 top level categories. -- Ned Ludd -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list