From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from smtp03.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (smtp.nuvox.net [64.89.70.9]) by robin.gentoo.org (8.13.4/8.13.4) with ESMTP id j3MCxjo7016050 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 12:59:46 GMT Received: from cgianelloni.nuvox.net (216.215.202.4.nw.nuvox.net [216.215.202.4]) by smtp03.gnvlscdb.sys.nuvox.net (8.12.11/8.12.11) with SMTP id j3MCxoP4000802 for ; Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:59:51 -0400 Received: by cgianelloni.nuvox.net (sSMTP sendmail emulation); Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:59:40 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] cleaning out 'bc' and 'ed' from system From: Chris Gianelloni To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20050422064651.GA7439@sympatico.ca> References: <200504211306.57424.vapier@gentoo.org> <20050421181719.443a292b@snowdrop> <31cfb4d00504211209117bf4e5@mail.gmail.com> <20050422064651.GA7439@sympatico.ca> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-2Vd453lWEoh0OC1SoHhP" Organization: Gentoo Linux Date: Fri, 22 Apr 2005 08:59:40 -0400 Message-Id: <1114174780.889.10.camel@cgianelloni.nuvox.net> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Evolution 2.0.4 X-Archives-Salt: 50b0a52c-758c-46a3-9337-0610ef947f9b X-Archives-Hash: d7add25926225021043f8a151a180fdd --=-2Vd453lWEoh0OC1SoHhP Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2005-04-22 at 02:46 -0400, Philip Webb wrote: > 050421 Juha Varkki wrote: > > 050421 Mike Frysinger wrote: > >> we've had 'bc' and 'ed' around for historical reasons > >> and because we've never actually tracked what packages invoke them > > Do you mean /usr/bin/bc or did I miss something? > > Why on earth are you taking it out? I use bc quite often actually .. >=20 > surely the idea of 'system' is to provide all those basic tools > which someone might need when doing sysadmin things without X . > that's why Lynx is included, to allow seeking WWW help & downloading thin= gs. > Ed is there because it's needed for Sed, which is useful for sysadmin; > Bc has a similar usefulness. all at basic console level. Ehh... lynx isn't in system. As for Gentoo's definition of "system" it is everything you *require* to have a functioning Linux system at the shell, not everything you might *want* to have. It is supposed to be as minimal as possible, and it is up to you to build on it to get the system the way you want. I say dump them from system. Two less things that I have to have in every stage3 tarball and on every release CD. > as they say, if it ain't broke, don't fix it: > try to understand why it was done that way originally. It *is* broken if it is wasting space on the release media. The truth is that we remove them during the creation of the release CD, since we don't use them. However, they are still in the stages, and on x86, where we have 5 stage3 images, that is 5 times the wasted space on the Universal InstallCD and 10 times the wasted space on the mirrors! --=20 Chris Gianelloni Release Engineering - Strategic Lead/QA Manager Games - Developer Gentoo Linux --=-2Vd453lWEoh0OC1SoHhP Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBCaPU8kT4lNIS36YERAnLkAJ9Canz5DUEnISRNmgC1UE/jYMrRhQCgq5KX EyOhgl2Z5k5rX2LH61NjZ2c= =Xt0V -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-2Vd453lWEoh0OC1SoHhP-- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list