Re: [gentoo-dev] Some important questions to the officals of www.gentoo.org

[marduk <marduk@gentoo.org>]

On Sun, 2004-07-11 at 00:39 +0200, Alexander Mieland wrote:

> that's because I've made enough experience with people who steals ideas.

But this is Linux/free software/whatever you call it.  We're supposed to
be about open exchange of ideas, not trade secrets.

> At this time, we are planning on it. We don't have something you could 
> look at.  

Okay, this is where I really think you got it wrong.  My understanding
is what really turns people on in the Linux/free software/whatever you
call it community is the product, not the idea.  You seem to be thinking
like a corporate person.  I know of a few projects in the free software
community that failed because a few persons had a good idea, but failed
to gain outside support because they didn't have the product to back it
up.  Put your code where your mouth is and if the infrastructure group
finds it worthy and appropriate then it might become a .gentoo.org.

But still I think you're going about it the wrong way.  If you really
want to do something useful then just do it.  It shouldn't matter
whether it's .gentoo.org worthy or not.  When I started writing
packages.gentoo.org (fresh ebuilds) it was originally just to satisfy a
personal itch.  I didn't see any way to tell when a new package was
added to portage.  So originally it just ran on my machine.  I had no
intention of creating an "official" gentoo.org site.  But then I thought
others "might" find it useful so I put it up on my web site.  Then it
became a .gentoo.org site. 

You seem to be going the opposite direction.  You want the site first
and then you start coding.  But I think you miss the idea.

As far as the idea itself.  I think it's been mentioned many many times
before why these things aren't accurate.  If one were to implement
something like this, I'd think they shouldn't use "real" numbers because
they will almost always "just plain wrong".  I think an arbitrary
coefficient would be more accurate, though still not precise.  But make
up a value ala BogoMips, call it Gentoo Hours or something.  Make the
time it takes to compile glibc (version x) to be 1 Gentoo Hour.  And the
time it takes to compile any other program will be a factor of that base
Gentoo Hour.  That "might" be more accurate but is still "just plain
wrong" ;-).

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