From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-dev-return-12842-arch-gentoo-dev=gentoo.org@lists.gentoo.org> Received: (qmail 7416 invoked from network); 25 May 2004 13:12:07 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (156.56.111.197) by parrot.ussg.indiana.edu with SMTP; 25 May 2004 13:12:07 +0000 Received: from parrot.ussg.indiana.edu ([156.56.111.196] helo=parrot.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BSbiw-000299-OT for arch-gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Tue, 25 May 2004 13:12:06 +0000 Received: (qmail 22581 invoked by uid 89); 25 May 2004 13:12:06 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev-unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev-subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 11767 invoked from network); 25 May 2004 13:12:05 +0000 From: Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> Reply-To: wolf31o2@gentoo.org To: foser <foser@gentoo.org> Cc: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <1085489261.17799.17.camel@rivendell> References: <200405260117.42691.zul@gentoo.org> <213C2E40-AD96-11D8-ACAC-000A9574BC58@erik.swanson.name> <1085425544.8885.8.camel@rivendell> <1138355.sWWXs0WYEg@schnecke2.gabrielebner.at> <20040525115955.GD1073%jmglov@jmglov.net> <1085489261.17799.17.camel@rivendell> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-tVqDhZe2QCYd5jF1mYJi" Organization: Gentoo Linux Message-Id: <1085491341.4040.13.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.6 Date: Tue, 25 May 2004 09:22:21 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC - apache start page. X-Archives-Salt: 1ea26561-13f6-480f-a36e-ed6ca75c167b X-Archives-Hash: d26cca7723ddca5257a646319dc96292 --=-tVqDhZe2QCYd5jF1mYJi Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 08:47, foser wrote: > Actually it is. This is a perfect example of such a stupid flag that > 99.9% of the people don't care about. Branding in Gentoo is not > intrusive and minimal, especially in comparison to most other larger > distros. >=20 > And most interesting part -brought up in earlier discussions about this > same triviality- is that no-one ever complained about the branding of > grub which has been there for an eternity. Or what about the cursor pack > coming with X (they're not on by default, but do take up space). Noone > cared. Hell if zul had just added this to apache without notification I > doubt it would've ever been discussed. >=20 > Yeah we want to choice ad infinitum. I rather rip the 'branding' out > than adding a USE flag for such a non-issue. I tend to agree. It isn't like we're removing choice. It really is quite simple to edit a line or two and change the theme for gdm or to change the splash in gnome. I simply don't get it. I find branding rather nice, since there has been a large amount of work done on some of the Gentoo artwork out there. In fact, I would like to see more of it... not to the point of being annoying or intrusive, but a couple little logos in a few more places. You guys act like we're taking away your right to "rm" the artwork. It seems that things are starting to get to a point with Gentoo to where no matter what us devs do, you have somebody out there who is going to ridicule our every move. Quite honestly, we don't *want* those people.=20 We want people who are really out to help others, that is why we choose to employ some sanity in what we allow in portage. If we listened to everything that everyone said, we would have portage written in python/perl/C/C++/java and it would have a mysql/postgres/firebird/berkdb back-end, there would be 100,000 USE flags, all with conflicting uses on different packages, there would be thousands of broken ebuilds submitted by users and having no maintainers to speak of, there would be hundreds of -cvs ebuilds, which would break at any given moment when the upstream developers commited something to their CVS tree, and there would be no management to keep things in line. Yeah, that's the Gentoo "of the users" that I want to be a part of... :rolleyes: Normally, I leave this stuff alone, but it is just getting really old to hear the same busted arguments over and over and over again, and I haven't even been with Gentoo as a developer for a year. I can understand the frustrations that users sometimes get due to the appearance of lack of movement of the Gentoo development team, but I honestly think that most people simply don't realize just how much work can go into development. Not to mention the fact that every last one of us do this as volunteers. This is not our job. We do not get paid. --=20 Chris Gianelloni Developer Games/LiveCD Teams Gentoo Linux Is your power animal a penguin? --=-tVqDhZe2QCYd5jF1mYJi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBAs0iMkT4lNIS36YERAnOpAJ4rYU2+ZZ2ZE0XtBQXrtYQby0CTWwCgpplE 2MUjfQSgd4bmBM3uZBbVxBo= =WzKx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-tVqDhZe2QCYd5jF1mYJi--