Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: RFC - apache start page.

[foser <foser@gentoo.org>]

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On Tue, 2004-05-25 at 07:59 -0400, Josh Glover wrote:
> Quoth Gabriel Ebner (Tue 2004-05-25 12:34:11PM +0200):
> 
> > foser wrote:
> >
> > > This has been brought up before. Gentoo minimizes branding and I do not
> > > think this warrants yet another USE flag. This is exactly what the
> > > 'hardened php' thread was about, introducing USE flags for such
> > > trivialities.
> 
> What is trivial to you may not be to others.

Yeah and what is trivial to you may not be to others. This is exactly
what i mean with adding flags for rare situations : there's always
people not going to like a certain default choice, you can't possibly
add USE flags for all situations.

> > > Using another splash screen for gnome is editing 1 gconf key. I do not
> > > consider it intrusive (you see it for like 3 secs & how often do you log
> > > in) & I never had one complaint about it (on the contrary).
> >
> > However, such a branding USE flag would be nice, and there are currently two
> > packages in ebuilds which could make use of it (gnome, gdm) AFAIK, with
> > maybe apache coming.
> >
> > I suspect that there are other users out there who'd like to have a more
> > vanilla system.

'more of a vanilla system'.. get a hold on here. Does 'vanilla' really
mean to you you can't see a gentoo logo ? It's more about sources that
are not patched the hell out of.

> Exactly! If there was ever a good candidate for a global USE flag,
> this is it. Some might want vanilla packages, some might want the
> Gentoo "bling-bling", why not let them choose, especially since
> people have gone to the trouble of creating awesome Gentoo artwork! :)

Yeah this is the best candidate for a global USE flag i've seen in a
long long time. Really.. no, i'm not being sarcastic here.

It's a matter of setting 1 config file if you don't like it, is that so
hard ?

> Foser, we cannot just refuse to add new flags when there is a compelling
> reason for one! Just because you think there are too many USE flags is
> *not* a good reason to be against adding any more just out of principle!

Actually it is. This is a perfect example of such a stupid flag that
99.9% of the people don't care about. Branding in Gentoo is not
intrusive and minimal, especially in comparison to most other larger
distros.

And most interesting part -brought up in earlier discussions about this
same triviality- is that no-one ever complained about the branding of
grub which has been there for an eternity. Or what about the cursor pack
coming with X (they're not on by default, but do take up space). Noone
cared. Hell if zul had just added this to apache without notification I
doubt it would've ever been discussed.

Yeah we want to choice ad infinitum. I rather rip the 'branding' out
than adding a USE flag for such a non-issue.

- foser

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