From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 27075 invoked from network); 20 May 2004 16:41:18 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (156.56.111.197) by parrot.ussg.indiana.edu with SMTP; 20 May 2004 16:41:18 +0000 Received: from parrot.ussg.indiana.edu ([156.56.111.196] helo=parrot.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BQqbd-0004kw-AA for arch-gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:41:17 +0000 Received: (qmail 31331 invoked by uid 89); 20 May 2004 16:41:16 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 20253 invoked from network); 20 May 2004 16:41:16 +0000 From: foser To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20040519184859.GA25533@cerberus.oppresses.us> References: <200405180034.30388.stuart@gentoo.org> <200405182108.42231.stuart@gentoo.org> <1084966200.9124.18.camel@rivendell> <200405191906.17673.stuart@gentoo.org> <40ABAA3D.9020704@gentoo.org> <20040519184859.GA25533@cerberus.oppresses.us> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-IbMoJGQGCj3xPEYxLIbi" Message-Id: <1085071295.9668.55.camel@rivendell> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.5.7 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:41:35 +0200 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-web-user] Hardened PHP now in Gentoo X-Archives-Salt: c93dce85-2bbc-4b6e-9ad7-3e06e3996932 X-Archives-Hash: ff37f0e8fcd47b89280465765b437305 --=-IbMoJGQGCj3xPEYxLIbi Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 14:48 -0400, Jon Portnoy wrote: > See the rest of the discussion, particularly about people *not* having=20 > to sift through hundreds of USE flags if ufed was fixed, and also the=20 > fact that USE flag grouping can fix the ballooning global flags issue. USE flag grouping still is basic step from what we have now, not a re-evalution. Don't fail to realize that USE flags at this point represent a lot of different concepts and that mere grouping is a temporary hack, not a solution. Ufed : tools to use tools. This whole discussion somehow got focused on USE flags, but it is much broader than that. It's more the concept that added complexity decreases control on an individual level. Most people used to be drawn to Gentoo because of it's adaptability, but we're losing that to adding cruft for rare use case scenario's. Portage gets more and more obscure features, while basic stuff like normal dep tracking is still lacking and there are a few half finished concepts lying around (like SLOTs) that still need fixing. Focus has been on the wrong areas, rarely used niceties over a solid basic framework. A building is as strong as it's base. - foser --=-IbMoJGQGCj3xPEYxLIbi Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBArN+/8WG+0iaGxDMRAtohAKC1Hc2eimHJUtb97yTyCAbwUt42pQCglcxF WIJ1OwAsIgSeJxXA/D1j/k0= =Phqg -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-IbMoJGQGCj3xPEYxLIbi--