From: foser <foser@gentoo.org>
To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-web-user] Hardened PHP now in Gentoo
Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:41:35 +0200 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <1085071295.9668.55.camel@rivendell> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <20040519184859.GA25533@cerberus.oppresses.us>
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On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 14:48 -0400, Jon Portnoy wrote:
> See the rest of the discussion, particularly about people *not* having
> to sift through hundreds of USE flags if ufed was fixed, and also the
> fact that USE flag grouping can fix the ballooning global flags issue.
USE flag grouping still is basic step from what we have now, not a
re-evalution. Don't fail to realize that USE flags at this point
represent a lot of different concepts and that mere grouping is a
temporary hack, not a solution.
Ufed : tools to use tools. This whole discussion somehow got focused on
USE flags, but it is much broader than that. It's more the concept that
added complexity decreases control on an individual level.
Most people used to be drawn to Gentoo because of it's adaptability, but
we're losing that to adding cruft for rare use case scenario's. Portage
gets more and more obscure features, while basic stuff like normal dep
tracking is still lacking and there are a few half finished concepts
lying around (like SLOTs) that still need fixing.
Focus has been on the wrong areas, rarely used niceties over a solid
basic framework. A building is as strong as it's base.
- foser
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Thread overview: 44+ messages / expand[flat|nested] mbox.gz Atom feed top
2004-05-17 23:34 [gentoo-dev] Hardened PHP now in Gentoo Stuart Herbert
2004-05-18 7:38 ` Alexander Gabert
[not found] ` <40A9AC46.1070500@wildgooses.com>
2004-05-18 17:45 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-web-user] " Stuart Herbert
2004-05-18 18:16 ` Marius Mauch
2004-05-18 20:08 ` Stuart Herbert
2004-05-19 11:30 ` foser
2004-05-19 12:30 ` Josh Glover
2004-05-19 14:09 ` foser
2004-05-19 16:13 ` Jon Portnoy
2004-05-20 15:52 ` foser
2004-05-20 21:10 ` [gentoo-dev] Some numbers Stuart Herbert
2004-05-20 22:30 ` foser
2004-05-21 21:58 ` Stuart Herbert
2004-05-23 17:20 ` Grant Goodyear
2004-05-19 16:06 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-web-user] Hardened PHP now in Gentoo Jon Portnoy
2004-05-19 17:26 ` Olivier Crete
2004-05-19 17:38 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2004-05-19 17:53 ` Jon Portnoy
[not found] ` <1548.213.101.226.144.1084990759.squirrel@TesterServ.TesterNet>
2004-05-19 18:34 ` Jon Portnoy
2004-05-19 18:54 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2004-05-19 17:56 ` Allen Dale Parker
2004-05-19 18:01 ` Jon Portnoy
2004-05-19 18:24 ` Allen Dale Parker
2004-05-20 16:12 ` foser
2004-05-19 18:00 ` [gentoo-dev] Local USE Flags and Gentoo Handbook (was: Re: Hardened PHP now in Gentoo) Octavio Ruiz (Ta^3)
2004-05-20 7:40 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-web-user] Hardened PHP now in Gentoo oford
2004-05-19 17:44 ` Caleb Tennis
2004-05-19 17:57 ` Ciaran McCreesh
2004-05-19 18:29 ` Caleb Tennis
2004-05-20 1:46 ` [gentoo-dev] USE flag explosion Jason Stubbs
2004-05-20 5:48 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-web-user] Hardened PHP now in Gentoo Georgi Georgiev
2004-05-19 18:06 ` Stuart Herbert
2004-05-19 18:41 ` Joshua Brindle
2004-05-19 18:48 ` Jon Portnoy
2004-05-20 16:41 ` foser [this message]
2004-05-19 19:52 ` Stuart Herbert
[not found] ` <20040519232308.GD14148@tompayne.org>
2004-05-19 23:49 ` [gentoo-dev] " Chris PeBenito
2004-05-20 0:02 ` Tom Payne
2004-05-20 0:10 ` Max Kalika
2004-05-20 0:40 ` Carsten Lohrke
2004-05-20 12:58 ` [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-web-user] " John Nilsson
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2004-05-19 17:11 Troels Vognsen
2004-05-19 17:50 Troels Vognsen
2004-05-19 18:32 Olivier Crete
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