From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 9668 invoked from network); 20 May 2004 16:11:52 +0000 Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (156.56.111.197) by parrot.ussg.indiana.edu with SMTP; 20 May 2004 16:11:52 +0000 Received: from parrot.ussg.indiana.edu ([156.56.111.196] helo=parrot.gentoo.org) by smtp.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.34) id 1BQq96-000378-Ec for arch-gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org; Thu, 20 May 2004 16:11:48 +0000 Received: (qmail 1891 invoked by uid 89); 20 May 2004 16:11:48 +0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 32674 invoked from network); 20 May 2004 16:11:47 +0000 From: foser To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20040519180137.GC22765@cerberus.oppresses.us> References: <200405180034.30388.stuart@gentoo.org> <200405181845.58966.stuart@gentoo.org> <20040518201628.703a7b34@sven.genone.homeip.net> <200405182108.42231.stuart@gentoo.org> <1084966200.9124.18.camel@rivendell> <20040519160613.GA17836@cerberus.oppresses.us> <1412.213.101.226.144.1084987594.squirrel@TesterServ.TesterNet> <40AB9FD3.2070000@efn.org> <20040519180137.GC22765@cerberus.oppresses.us> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-+s1hSIUfozOQ+Pj/R6G1" Message-Id: <1085069521.9668.43.camel@rivendell> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.5.7 Date: Thu, 20 May 2004 18:12:01 +0200 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-web-user] Hardened PHP now in Gentoo X-Archives-Salt: 655467e8-f71e-4a7e-b3a1-a29b58f960fe X-Archives-Hash: eb7a37c40483e0fe2951871c201c46a9 --=-+s1hSIUfozOQ+Pj/R6G1 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, 2004-05-19 at 14:01 -0400, Jon Portnoy wrote: > On Wed, May 19, 2004 at 01:56:35PM -0400, Allen Dale Parker wrote: > > definition, so be it. *BUT* when the gimp ebuilds haven't been touched > > in almost a month (2.0.1 has been out since 04-17 and STILL isn't in > > portage), other ebuilds are falling out of date, I'm SURE that we can > > find more useful things to do than adding more USE flags. > >=20 >=20 > Frankly the reason GIMP gets out of date, among other gnome herd=20 > packages, is that the GNOME herd seems to want to retain maintainership=20 > of a lot of packages totally irrelevant to GNOME proper without having=20 > enough manpower to deal with it. A totally irrelevant point in this thread, but I suppose one has to grasp that one minute of attention and use it to its full extent. The gimp has been over time (even in the 1.3 series) maintained perfectly fine. Due to some seriously uncontrolled developer unavailability it has suffered a bit lately. Gnome held on to Gimp maintainership for mainly two reasons. First Gimp is _the_ gtk+ example application and second because frankly the changes made over time by non-gnome team members have all been regressions or failures to understand it's underlying structure. We do hand over packages to other teams (gladly mostly), but we do want it to be maintained at least as well as it was done before (in quality). Previous experiences have made us wary of that and then we get to clean up the mess and we double our workload unlike when we would've handled it ourselves in the first place. Sounds arrogant ? Guess so, but if we're getting frank I'm gonna be frank as well. - foser --=-+s1hSIUfozOQ+Pj/R6G1 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.4 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBArNjR8WG+0iaGxDMRAm2xAKDWJGOSvIg1yOFqi4tgr+6I0cIFJQCePeEe elzLytv1fdaAfo6MWzmkLiM= =N3it -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-+s1hSIUfozOQ+Pj/R6G1--