[gentoo-dev] qmail-scanner depends on qmail (what about qmail-ldap?)

[gentoo-dev] qmail-scanner depends on qmail (what about qmail-ldap?)

[Andrew Ross]

qmail-scanner depends on qmail, but can be used with qmail-ldap as well
(probably also with qmail-mysql, but I haven't checked).

I checked bugzilla and couldn't find an existing bug on this, so I plan
to file one, unless someone knows a good reason why the qmail-scanner
ebuild shouldn't allow qmail-ldap to satisfy the dependancy?

Cheers

Andrew



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Re: [gentoo-dev] qmail-scanner depends on qmail (what about qmail-ldap?)

[Mike Frysinger]

On Thursday 25 March 2004 12:55 am, Andrew Ross wrote:
> qmail-scanner depends on qmail, but can be used with qmail-ldap as well
> (probably also with qmail-mysql, but I haven't checked).
>
> I checked bugzilla and couldn't find an existing bug on this, so I plan
> to file one, unless someone knows a good reason why the qmail-scanner
> ebuild shouldn't allow qmail-ldap to satisfy the dependancy?

personally i think qmail-ldap and qmail-mysql are junk, but thats a sep topic 
i guess ?
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] qmail-scanner depends on qmail (what about qmail-ldap?)

[Mike Frysinger]

On Friday 26 March 2004 11:39 pm, Andrew Ross wrote:
> I'm inclined to agree, but we are stuck with MS Active Directory, and
> I'd rather qmail-ldap than MS Exchange :-)

i meant i thought the fact we have 'qmail-ldap' and 'qmail-mysq' instead of 
combining those features into the qmail ebuild is junk

i dont think ldap and/or mysql is junk :)
-mike

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Re: [gentoo-dev] qmail-scanner depends on qmail (what about qmail-ldap?)

[Aiko Barz]

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On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 11:45:33PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> i meant i thought the fact we have 'qmail-ldap' and 'qmail-mysq' instead of 
> combining those features into the qmail ebuild is junk

That reminds me of something: There is no qmail-ldap, at least no
working one. ;)
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45875

Bis denne,
        Aiko

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Re: [gentoo-dev] qmail-scanner depends on qmail (what about qmail-ldap?)

[Andrew Ross]

On Sat, 2004-03-27 at 22:47, Aiko Barz wrote:
> That reminds me of something: There is no qmail-ldap, at least no
> working one. ;)
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45875
> 
> PS.: This mail is powered by gentoo/qmail-ldap

We are running Gentoo with qmail-ldap on a production machine, handling
email for approx 500 user accounts. At the time of installation (early
Jan) I was unaware of the chroot.de ebuilds, so we're using the ones
from portage with a few patches to fix various problems. See:

http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38109
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38129
http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=38229

Please note that I'm not recommending that you use these instead of the
chroot.de ones (for one things, chroot.de is more up to date!).

I understand that the qmail-ldap maintainer, Benjamin Coles (sj7trunks),
is a volunteer (just like all the other Gentoo folk). I know we can't
expect the same reponse as we'd expect from a paid employee. At the same
time, I think the current qmail-ldap situation in Gentoo is appauling -
we are making it extremely difficult for sysadmins to make the move to
Gentoo, both technically, and at a management level (how can I sell
Gentoo as a mail server when the STABLE qmail-ldap ebuilds in portage
are broken, and have been for months?).

A quick check of Bugzilla shows 12 open qmail-ldap bugs, all with
supplied patches but little or no comments from Gentoo devs.

Please don't take this as a flame, or a slight against sj7trunks. I'm
not suggesting that he shouldn't be the qmail-ldap maintainer, but
perhaps we need one (or more) others to assist?

Andrew Ross
Webmaster (former sysadmin)
Whitley College
http://www.whitley.unimelb.edu.au


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Re: [gentoo-dev] qmail-scanner depends on qmail (what about qmail-ldap?)

[Robin H. Johnson]

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On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 04:33:23PM +1000, Andrew Ross wrote:
> Please note that I'm not recommending that you use these instead of the
> chroot.de ones (for one things, chroot.de is more up to date!).
Apart from the chroot.de ones not having ANY of the mainstream gentoo
qmail stuff.

> I understand that the qmail-ldap maintainer, Benjamin Coles (sj7trunks),
> is a volunteer (just like all the other Gentoo folk). I know we can't
> expect the same reponse as we'd expect from a paid employee. At the same
> time, I think the current qmail-ldap situation in Gentoo is appauling -
> we are making it extremely difficult for sysadmins to make the move to
> Gentoo, both technically, and at a management level (how can I sell
> Gentoo as a mail server when the STABLE qmail-ldap ebuilds in portage
> are broken, and have been for months?).
I agree the state of gentoo's qmail-ldap leaves a lot to be desired, and
we are all ears on help, but time is still tight on us. I maintain the
main qmail package and offer some help to the other qmail-{ldap,mysql}
folk.

> Please don't take this as a flame, or a slight against sj7trunks. I'm
> not suggesting that he shouldn't be the qmail-ldap maintainer, but
> perhaps we need one (or more) others to assist?
If somebody with time could go thru all the open bugs, collate them and
ensure the functionality between qmail-ldap and the main qmail (latest
~x86 build) is similiar (including my conf-* stuff), it would go a long
way towards getting something better into the tree for you.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] qmail-scanner depends on qmail (what about qmail-ldap?)

[Benjamin Coles]

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Andrew,
	Much apologies on the ebuilds, I must admit that these are my favorite
packages to maintain (qmail-ldap). It is quite hard to get some stuff
done with the ebuilds even when it consists of minor changes. I noticed
that you were in need of help on the ebuilds. I am available online as
sj7trunks and you may message me since I am very interested in helping
people get Gentoo into the mainstream. I recently lost my job so I've
added this to my list of to do and I'm also working on an LDAP book for
Prentice Hall so I'm fairly confident I'll be able to help you out.

Thanks,
Benjamin Coles

On Sun, 2004-03-28 at 00:17, Robin H. Johnson wrote:
> On Sun, Mar 28, 2004 at 04:33:23PM +1000, Andrew Ross wrote:
> > Please note that I'm not recommending that you use these instead of the
> > chroot.de ones (for one things, chroot.de is more up to date!).
> Apart from the chroot.de ones not having ANY of the mainstream gentoo
> qmail stuff.
> 
> > I understand that the qmail-ldap maintainer, Benjamin Coles (sj7trunks),
> > is a volunteer (just like all the other Gentoo folk). I know we can't
> > expect the same reponse as we'd expect from a paid employee. At the same
> > time, I think the current qmail-ldap situation in Gentoo is appauling -
> > we are making it extremely difficult for sysadmins to make the move to
> > Gentoo, both technically, and at a management level (how can I sell
> > Gentoo as a mail server when the STABLE qmail-ldap ebuilds in portage
> > are broken, and have been for months?).
> I agree the state of gentoo's qmail-ldap leaves a lot to be desired, and
> we are all ears on help, but time is still tight on us. I maintain the
> main qmail package and offer some help to the other qmail-{ldap,mysql}
> folk.
> 
> > Please don't take this as a flame, or a slight against sj7trunks. I'm
> > not suggesting that he shouldn't be the qmail-ldap maintainer, but
> > perhaps we need one (or more) others to assist?
> If somebody with time could go thru all the open bugs, collate them and
> ensure the functionality between qmail-ldap and the main qmail (latest
> ~x86 build) is similiar (including my conf-* stuff), it would go a long
> way towards getting something better into the tree for you.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] qmail-scanner depends on qmail (what about qmail-ldap?)

[Andrew Ross]

On Mon, 2004-03-29 at 07:02, Benjamin Coles wrote:
> Much apologies on the ebuilds, I must admit that these are my favorite
> packages to maintain (qmail-ldap). It is quite hard to get some stuff
> done with the ebuilds even when it consists of minor changes. I noticed
> that you were in need of help on the ebuilds. I am available online as
> sj7trunks and you may message me since I am very interested in helping
> people get Gentoo into the mainstream. I recently lost my job so I've
> added this to my list of to do and I'm also working on an LDAP book for
> Prentice Hall so I'm fairly confident I'll be able to help you out.

Thanks, Ben and congratulations on your book deal!

I actually succeeded in migrating our central server (router, firewall,
mail, www, squid, etc) to Gentoo in early Jan and was able to beat
qmail-ldap into shape (using the in-portage ebuilds and the patches I
supplied via Bugzilla).

I was fortunate enough to be given a reasonable degree of freedom in OS
choice, which, I believe, is the only reason we were able to make the
switch to Gentoo. I strongly suspect that, had management known the
difficulties related to the qmail-ldap ebuilds, they would have forced
my hand (probably to another Linux distro, eg. Debian or Fedora).

As stated previously, I've sinced moved from sysadmin to webmaster. Even
though I'm no longer responsible for our central server (save website
related ebuilds eg apache and php), I dearly love Gentoo (running it on
my desktop and home server) and want to see it move forward as a
distribution, esp in the corporate sector (I await 2004.1 and security
only updates with glee!)

I'd very much like to see qmail-ldap reach the same level of stability
(ebuild-wise) as mainstream qmail, and am keen to assist where-ever
possible.

Unless you're already working on it, I'll have a play with the various
reported bugs and their associated patches, in addition to the latest
qmail and qmail-ldap ebuilds - seeing if I can add the conf-*
functionality suggested by robbat2

Cheers

Andrew


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Re: [gentoo-dev] qmail-scanner depends on qmail (what about qmail-ldap?)

[Aiko Barz]

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On Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 12:47:42PM +0100, Aiko Barz wrote:
> On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 11:45:33PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > i meant i thought the fact we have 'qmail-ldap' and 'qmail-mysq' instead of 
> > combining those features into the qmail ebuild is junk
> 
> That reminds me of something: There is no qmail-ldap, at least no
> working one. ;)
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45875

Since there are wishes to start with the mainstream-qmail-line, I took
the qmail-1.03-r15.ebuild as base.

1. I removed all patches which didn't apply after using
   qmail-ldap-1.03-20040301a. Off course, a lot of patches are already
   part of the qmail-ldap patch.
2. $(emerge qmail-ldap-1.03-r4.ebuild 2> /root/blabla) showed some
   missing files. I copied them from
   "/usr/portage/net-mail/qmail/files/"
3. I added "ln -s ${pemfile} ${filedir}/cert.pem" to "mkservercert",
   because "telnet localhost 25" said:
   "454 TLS not available: missing RSA private key (#4.3.0)"
4. I would like to see
   QMAIL_SMTP_POST="/var/qmail/bin/auth_smtp /usr/bin/true"
   as an default example in "conf-smtpd".
5. /etc/tcprules.d/tcp.qmail-smtp.sample looks like:
    
    127.0.0.1:allow,RELAYCLIENT="",RBLSMTPD=""
    :allow

   I would like to kick out the last line and do it just like this:
    
    if use ssl; then
        echo ":allow,SMTPAUTH=\"TLSREQUIRED\"" >>${f}
    else
        echo ":allow" >>${f}
    fi
                                            
   This makes it possible to relay after smtpauth, after TLS.

Right now, my qmail-ldap works almost out of the box. I made the first
step. Maybe some gentoo-dev like sj7trunks could do the final-step:
Test, improve and add it to the stable line. ;)

ebuild:
http://www.chroot.de/html-includes/ebuilds/qmail-ldap/qmail-ldap-1.03-r4.ebuild
diff:
http://www.chroot.de/html-includes/ebuilds/qmail-ldap/qmail-ldap-1.03-r4.diff

Thanks,
        Aiko

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Re: [gentoo-dev] qmail-scanner depends on qmail (what about qmail-ldap?)

[Benjamin Coles]

Double effort Aiko, I've gotten my own r4 fully working on my 5 servers.
I'm going to coordinate the r4 to follow the months so r4 would be the
april release of the next patch.

Thanks,
Benjamin

On Wed, 2004-03-31 at 09:51, Aiko Barz wrote:
> On Sat, Mar 27, 2004 at 12:47:42PM +0100, Aiko Barz wrote:
> > On Fri, Mar 26, 2004 at 11:45:33PM -0500, Mike Frysinger wrote:
> > > i meant i thought the fact we have 'qmail-ldap' and 'qmail-mysq' instead of 
> > > combining those features into the qmail ebuild is junk
> > 
> > That reminds me of something: There is no qmail-ldap, at least no
> > working one. ;)
> > http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=45875
> 
> Since there are wishes to start with the mainstream-qmail-line, I took
> the qmail-1.03-r15.ebuild as base.
> 
> 1. I removed all patches which didn't apply after using
>    qmail-ldap-1.03-20040301a. Off course, a lot of patches are already
>    part of the qmail-ldap patch.
> 2. $(emerge qmail-ldap-1.03-r4.ebuild 2> /root/blabla) showed some
>    missing files. I copied them from
>    "/usr/portage/net-mail/qmail/files/"
> 3. I added "ln -s ${pemfile} ${filedir}/cert.pem" to "mkservercert",
>    because "telnet localhost 25" said:
>    "454 TLS not available: missing RSA private key (#4.3.0)"
> 4. I would like to see
>    QMAIL_SMTP_POST="/var/qmail/bin/auth_smtp /usr/bin/true"
>    as an default example in "conf-smtpd".
> 5. /etc/tcprules.d/tcp.qmail-smtp.sample looks like:
>     
>     127.0.0.1:allow,RELAYCLIENT="",RBLSMTPD=""
>     :allow
> 
>    I would like to kick out the last line and do it just like this:
>     
>     if use ssl; then
>         echo ":allow,SMTPAUTH=\"TLSREQUIRED\"" >>${f}
>     else
>         echo ":allow" >>${f}
>     fi
>                                             
>    This makes it possible to relay after smtpauth, after TLS.
> 
> Right now, my qmail-ldap works almost out of the box. I made the first
> step. Maybe some gentoo-dev like sj7trunks could do the final-step:
> Test, improve and add it to the stable line. ;)
> 
> ebuild:
> http://www.chroot.de/html-includes/ebuilds/qmail-ldap/qmail-ldap-1.03-r4.ebuild
> diff:
> http://www.chroot.de/html-includes/ebuilds/qmail-ldap/qmail-ldap-1.03-r4.diff
> 
> Thanks,
>         Aiko


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