Re: [gentoo-dev] development-sources-2.6.0 => vanilla-sources

Re: [gentoo-dev] development-sources-2.6.0 => vanilla-sources

[Stewart Honsberger]

On Wed, 24 Dec 2003, Ciaran McCreesh wrote:

> | Can't agree here. Im using 2.6 on my workstation for nearly 3 months
> | now, i had no problems using X except 2 weird "out of memory" kills,
> | which i cant reproduce or say its the kernel.
> 
> You are using 2.6 on one box and it is working for you. That is not the
> same as "it will work reliably for the majority of people on the
> majority of boxes". Right now, 2.6 is not usable for many people.

So mark it unstable, mask it, whatever; the point is it's no longer a 
'development' kernel and as such it should be moved to either the vanilla 
sources category or given a new category, like 'vanilla-2.6-sources'.

Keeping in mind that kernel 2.7 will shortly be upon us and it will 
supercede 2.5/2.6 as the official development kernel.

It doesn't make sense for us to re-define the long-standing Linux 
terminology just because we disagree with Linus et al. regarding a 
particular kernel's stability.

It's vanilla-sources. Gentoo does nothing but package it and track the 
version number. If somebody's running it, chances are they're aware enough 
of what they're doing and of the risks involved.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] development-sources-2.6.0 => vanilla-sources

[Steven Elling]

On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 11:23, marduk wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 10:59, Steven Elling wrote:
> > My 2.6.0 problems so far are:
> > 
> > * I have a KVM that doesn't support mouse and keyboard emulation. When I
> > switch away from Linux and then come back the mouse cursor goes crazy. 
> > Fine enough because I use gpm in repeater mode, have X reading
> > /dev/gpmdata and use a keyboard sequence to restart gpm for me; however;
> > under 2.6.0 restarting gpm doesn't help.  The mouse cursor still goes
> > crazy and the kernel reports "psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at
> > isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away."

<snip>

> I can confirm the first issue.  Though I don't use gpm, so in X it just
> doesn't work.  Also in my XF86Config I had to change my mouse type from
> "auto" to "IMPS/2" because apparently "auto" doesn't work as it did in
> 2.4.

I have a MS "Wheel Mouse Optical USB and PS/2 Compatible" mouse and am
using the UBS-to-PS adapter because my KVM does not have USB.

gpm's set to the imps2 protocol and the repeater is in raw mode.

X is set to the IMPS/2 protocol.  Here is the section from my
XF86Config-4 file:

Section "InputDevice"
        Identifier  "Mouse0"
        Driver      "mouse"
        Option      "Protocol" "IMPS/2"
        Option      "Device" "/dev/gpmdata"
        Option      "Buttons" "5"
        Option      "ZAxisMapping" "4 5"
EndSection



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Re: [gentoo-dev] development-sources-2.6.0 => vanilla-sources

[Georgi Georgiev]

maillog: 27/12/2003-18:22:33(+0100): Horror Vacui types
> Module handling has changed, you need new module tools.

development-sources do depend on the new module tools

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Re: [gentoo-dev] development-sources-2.6.0 => vanilla-sources

[Steven Elling]

On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 11:22, Horror Vacui wrote:
> On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:59:35 -0600
> Steven wrote:
> 
> > My 2.6.0 problems so far are:
> > 
> > * I have a KVM that doesn't support mouse and keyboard emulation. When
> > I switch away from Linux and then come back the mouse cursor goes
> > crazy. Fine enough because I use gpm in repeater mode, have X reading
> > /dev/gpmdata and use a keyboard sequence to restart gpm for me;
> > however; under 2.6.0 restarting gpm doesn't help.  The mouse cursor
> > still goes crazy and the kernel reports "psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at
> > isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away."
> 
> Hm, I think I read something about this kind of thing in a description
> on www.kernelnewbies.org (IIRC it's called "what to expect from 2.6). It
> might be a clue.

From
http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/davej/misc/post-halloween-2.6.txt:

Input layer.
~~~~~~~~~~~~
<snip>
- If you use a KVM switcher, and experience problems, booting with the boot
  time argument 'psmouse_noext' should fix your problems.

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I will try this out and see if it works.  Thanks for the pointer to Kernel Newbies.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] development-sources-2.6.0 => vanilla-sources

[Greg Aumann]

I have a cheap KVM with no mouse emulation and a ps2 mouse. The (crude) 
way I deal with this problem is to switch to a console session e.g. 
Ctl-Alt-F1 and then switch back to the X session Ctl-Alt-F7. This resets 
the mouse and works every time.

Greg

Steven Elling wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 11:22, Horror Vacui wrote:
> 
>>On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:59:35 -0600
>>Steven wrote:
>>
>>
>>>My 2.6.0 problems so far are:
>>>
>>>* I have a KVM that doesn't support mouse and keyboard emulation. When
>>>I switch away from Linux and then come back the mouse cursor goes
>>>crazy. Fine enough because I use gpm in repeater mode, have X reading
>>>/dev/gpmdata and use a keyboard sequence to restart gpm for me;
>>>however; under 2.6.0 restarting gpm doesn't help.  The mouse cursor
>>>still goes crazy and the kernel reports "psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at
>>>isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away."
>>
>>Hm, I think I read something about this kind of thing in a description
>>on www.kernelnewbies.org (IIRC it's called "what to expect from 2.6). It
>>might be a clue.
> 
> 
> From
> http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/davej/misc/post-halloween-2.6.txt:
> 
> Input layer.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> <snip>
> - If you use a KVM switcher, and experience problems, booting with the boot
>   time argument 'psmouse_noext' should fix your problems.
> 
> -----
> 
> I will try this out and see if it works.  Thanks for the pointer to Kernel Newbies.
> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] development-sources-2.6.0 => vanilla-sources

[Steven Elling]

On Wed, 2003-12-31 at 21:10, Greg Aumann wrote:
> I have a cheap KVM with no mouse emulation and a ps2 mouse. The (crude) 
> way I deal with this problem is to switch to a console session e.g. 
> Ctl-Alt-F1 and then switch back to the X session Ctl-Alt-F7. This resets 
> the mouse and works every time.

I tried this a long time ago with my system and it just does not work. 
I wish it were that simple.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] development-sources-2.6.0 => vanilla-sources

[Steven Elling]

On Wed, 2003-12-31 at 20:03, Steven Elling wrote:
> On Sat, 2003-12-27 at 11:22, Horror Vacui wrote:
> > On Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:59:35 -0600
> > Steven wrote:
> > 
> > > My 2.6.0 problems so far are:
> > > 
> > > * I have a KVM that doesn't support mouse and keyboard emulation. When
> > > I switch away from Linux and then come back the mouse cursor goes
> > > crazy. Fine enough because I use gpm in repeater mode, have X reading
> > > /dev/gpmdata and use a keyboard sequence to restart gpm for me;
> > > however; under 2.6.0 restarting gpm doesn't help.  The mouse cursor
> > > still goes crazy and the kernel reports "psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at
> > > isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away."
> > 
> > Hm, I think I read something about this kind of thing in a description
> > on www.kernelnewbies.org (IIRC it's called "what to expect from 2.6). It
> > might be a clue.
> 
> From
> http://ftp.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/people/davej/misc/post-halloween-2.6.txt:
> 
> Input layer.
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~
> <snip>
> - If you use a KVM switcher, and experience problems, booting with the boot
>   time argument 'psmouse_noext' should fix your problems.
> 
> -----
> 
> I will try this out and see if it works.  Thanks for the pointer to Kernel Newbies.

Nope.  Doesn't work.  The only way I can get the mouse to reset is to
compile the ps2 mouse driver as a module (psmouse.ko), stop gpm, unload
psmouse, reload psmouse, then start gpm back up.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] development-sources-2.6.0 => vanilla-sources

[Philippe Coulonges]

Le Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:59:35 -0600
Steven Elling <ellings@kcnet.com> écrivait :

> My 2.6.0 problems so far are:
> 
> * I have a KVM that doesn't support mouse and keyboard emulation. When
> I switch away from Linux and then come back the mouse cursor goes
> crazy. Fine enough because I use gpm in repeater mode, have X reading
> /dev/gpmdata and use a keyboard sequence to restart gpm for me;
> however; under 2.6.0 restarting gpm doesn't help.  The mouse cursor
> still goes crazy and the kernel reports "psmouse.c: Wheel Mouse at
> isa0060/serio1/input0 lost synchronization, throwing 2 bytes away."

Pass

> * Module auto-loading is not working.  Don't know why yet because I
> haven't looked into it.

Use /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 instead of
/etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.4 and link
/etc/modules.autoload appropriately.

> * USB mass-storage isn't working.  Just found this one today and
> haven't had a chance to look at it.

USB mass-storage works fine here.
As does pcmcia-cs.

For the record, I have 6 machines (1 server and 5 desktop) running
smoothly since test6.

I have much more trouble with gnome 2.4 than with kernel 2.6.

My only trouble is that I recently lost acceleration for a voodoo3 card
(http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=33717)

my 2 cents.

I don't care if 2.6 is called development or vanilla.
But, in a couple of months, the guys from kernel will start 2.7 and if
development means something, a choice will have to be made then.

I think keeping 2 vanilla flavors could be the best.

CU
CPHIL

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Re: [gentoo-dev] development-sources-2.6.0 => vanilla-sources

[Steven Elling]

On Thu, 2004-01-08 at 18:06, Philippe Coulonges wrote:
> Le Sat, 27 Dec 2003 10:59:35 -0600
> Steven Elling <ellings@kcnet.com> écrivait :
> 
> > * Module auto-loading is not working.  Don't know why yet because I
> > haven't looked into it.
> 
> Use /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.6 instead of
> /etc/modules.autoload.d/kernel-2.4 and link
> /etc/modules.autoload appropriately.

I guess I should clarify.  The module loading as done by devfs does not
work in 2.6.  I know devfs is depreciated but you can still build 2.6
with devfs support and devfs is supposed to load modules on demand. 
This is the module auto-loading I was referring to.

I haven't looked at udev yet and tried to get 2.6 to work completely
because I don't feel like sitting in front of my PC for days trying to
get it to work.


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