From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 6477 invoked by uid 1002); 22 Nov 2003 16:57:22 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 29983 invoked from network); 22 Nov 2003 16:57:17 -0000 From: Paul Varner To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <20031122073212.GA1639@cerberus.oppresses.us> References: <200311191114.25081.pauldv@gentoo.org> <200311211050.59578.jasonbstubbs@mailandnews.com> <8765hdu4zg.fsf@killr.ath.cx> <20031121183551.GE2221@gentoo.org> <87ptfk7uhu.fsf@killr.ath.cx> <20031122073212.GA1639@cerberus.oppresses.us> Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Message-Id: <1069520235.13839.16.camel@garath> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:57:15 -0600 X-Authentication-Info: Submitted using SMTP AUTH at out008.verizon.net from [4.64.22.91] at Sat, 22 Nov 2003 10:57:16 -0600 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo internal structure X-Archives-Salt: 51f88bca-f92e-49e1-8591-bc82f00d556f X-Archives-Hash: 998695826a72475f1c0483bbd5ab96f2 On Sat, 2003-11-22 at 01:32, Jon Portnoy wrote: > On Sat, Nov 22, 2003 at 01:06:05AM -0600, Matthew Kennedy wrote: > > > I suppose I am dismayed that we are failing to promote free software > > over proprietary software. > > We are promoting giving users a choice. What we are failing at is trying > to force them into using free software. > > Quick poll of people reading this thread: Would you like to see the > removal of nonfree software from the tree? That means things like > vmware, the java packages, etc. If Gentoo were to do that, I would be back to SuSE in a heartbeat with all traces of Gentoo wiped from my systems. I came to Gentoo because of the philosphy of giving the user choices. For that freedom, I'm willing to put up with the installs that take all day and the ever changing portage tree. Without that freedom of choice, Gentoo for me would no longer be worth the effort. What I would like to see is for the developers to flesh out the ACCEPT_LICENSES variable. Set the defaults so that what is installed now still gets installed by default. Finally, Document it in a very visible way. For those that don't want "non-free" software on their systems, they now can be assured that they are getting what they want. For those of us that want the free (as in freedom, not beer) OS, but aren't as picky when it comes to applications, we have that choice as well. To me that is in keeping with the philosphy of Gentoo. That philosphy is why I decided to move to Gentoo. Take that away from me, and I will be moving on. PS: Just a thought, if the licensing were implemented, why not create another set of Live CD's with only the free licenses implemented. Then we could have GNU/Gentoo (for lack of a better term). -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list