[gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Mike Gardiner]

Hi list(s),

As of now, the fruits of our labour in the GNOME team are available in
the form of GNOME 2.4, marked stable on x86. New GNOME users should have
no problem acquiring the GNOME Desktop with the command 'emerge gnome'. 

Those of you upgrading from 2.2 may however, run into several small
problems, commonly heard on IRC and the forums these past few weeks as
"Help!, my bonobo-activation is blocking gnome?". The reason for this,
is that bonobo-activation has been merged into libbonobo in versions
post-2.4.0. 

Some method for auto-cleaning blocking deps would be ideal, but we don't
have the portage functionality for that. Therefore, the best method for
upgrading is to 'emerge -u gnome' until you hit the blocking
bonobo-activation. 'emerge -C bonobo-activation' and then 'emerge -u
gnome' to continue the installation. 

This should ensure that you keep the bonobo-activation libraries
installed, right up until they are removed and then immediately replaced
by those included in libbonobo. This reduces the chance of missing
libraries causing other compile time problems.

The same may apply to gnome-utils and gucharmap for you as well, just
'emerge -u gnome-utils' at the blocking point before gucharmap is
merged.

Another issue is that of the inclusion of the Epiphany web browser in
the default GNOME distribution. For Gentoo, the GNOME team distributes
the GNOME Desktop as it is made available from the official GNOME team,
and gnome.org. We make an effort to follow their packaging and
guidelines closely, to provide a complete GNOME distribution. 

As of GNOME version 2.4, Epiphany is now included as the default web
browser. Epiphany is a GTK2 and Mozilla based browser with a lightweight
frontend. However, it requires that Mozilla is available, and has been
compiled with GTK2. Some people find that this adds a hefty weight to
their GNOME desktop, and may prefer to use a different browser.

In this case you are best to inject epiphany with
emerge inject net-www/epiphany-1.0
so that it is included as installed and wont bug on upgrades.

So what can you expect in your new GNOME 2.4 installation ? GNOME 2.4
doesnt hold a wealth of new features and options, but it does have many
changes, under-the-hood, so to speak, as well as a healthy portion of
general bugfixing and maintenance. Here are only a few of the changes
you might notice.

The unified panel makes it's first appearance, covering with one panel
what was previously provided with 4 different types.

A personal favourite of mine is the "Screen Resolution" control (found
under Applications->Desktop Preferences) which provides an interface to
XRandR and allows you to change X resolutions on the fly.

Nautilus-cd-burner is now included for those USE'ing the "cdr" flag
allowing drag and drop burning (check out Nautilus help with F1 and then
the "Writing CD's" topic).

Nautilus also now integrates better with media through the use of
gstreamer and gst-plugins (Nautilus->View Menu->View as Audio).

Please report valid bugs via the usual, official channels (bugzilla).
For us to help and fix bugs, they really need to be reproducable, not
one off occurances. Also remember your emerge info and relevant build
logs/evidence :).

I think that just about sums it up. We wish you success in installing
GNOME 2.4, and hope you enjoy using it for your desktop.

The Gentoo Linux GNOME Team
(gnome@gentoo.org)


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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Alan]

Yay!  Congrats on the hard work to the gentoo gnome guys!  

> Nautilus-cd-burner is now included for those USE'ing the "cdr" flag
> allowing drag and drop burning (check out Nautilus help with F1 and then
> the "Writing CD's" topic).

What is required to allow a user to burn CDs?  I'm not sure what the
procedure to allow user access to this is for something like cdrecord
(which IIRC n-cd-burner uses in the background).

Thanks

alan


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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Bob Miller]

Mike Gardiner wrote:

> Those of you upgrading from 2.2 may however, run into several small
> problems, commonly heard on IRC and the forums these past few weeks as
> "Help!, my bonobo-activation is blocking gnome?". The reason for this,
> is that bonobo-activation has been merged into libbonobo in versions
> post-2.4.0. 

media-gfx/gtkam still depends on bonobo-activation.  Is gtkam
deprecated, or does its .ebuild file need a tweak?

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http://kbobsoft.com                     kbob@jogger-egg.com

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Mike Gardiner]

On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 13:52, Bob Miller wrote:
> Mike Gardiner wrote:
> 
> > Those of you upgrading from 2.2 may however, run into several small
> > problems, commonly heard on IRC and the forums these past few weeks as
> > "Help!, my bonobo-activation is blocking gnome?". The reason for this,
> > is that bonobo-activation has been merged into libbonobo in versions
> > post-2.4.0. 
> 
> media-gfx/gtkam still depends on bonobo-activation.  Is gtkam
> deprecated, or does its .ebuild file need a tweak?

/me watches Miller run through the outfield. I dont know if he's going
to make it, it's a high ball, ohhh, what a catch!

Fixed, thanks.

Mike.


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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[foser]

On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 07:45, Alan wrote:
> Yay!  Congrats on the hard work to the gentoo gnome guys!  

Thanks :)

> What is required to allow a user to burn CDs?  I'm not sure what the
> procedure to allow user access to this is for something like cdrecord
> (which IIRC n-cd-burner uses in the background).

Basically ide-scsi support in the kernel plus that your user should be
part of the cdrw group afaik. We're working on getting this as
transparant as possible, but it will take some more time. People who
already have everything set-up should have no problem using this
functionality right away.

- foser


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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Spider]

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> On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 07:45, Alan wrote:
> > Yay!  Congrats on the hard work to the gentoo gnome guys!  
> 
> Thanks :)
> 
> > What is required to allow a user to burn CDs?  I'm not sure what the
> > procedure to allow user access to this is for something like
> > cdrecord
> > (which IIRC n-cd-burner uses in the background).
> 
> Basically ide-scsi support in the kernel plus that your user should be
> part of the cdrw group afaik. We're working on getting this as
> transparant as possible, but it will take some more time. People who
> already have everything set-up should have no problem using this
> functionality right away.



Transparency is improved by installing the  "cdrw-base" package, which
will add devfs.d and modules.d entries to make cdburning "just work".

This was a small evenings work + testing made by me and Azarah, and
current proposal is to make cdrdao and cdrecord depend on this package. 

Could I get some testers / comments on it, please?



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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Tuesday 07 October 2003 07:37, Spider wrote:
> begin  quote
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:52:49 +0200
>

> Transparency is improved by installing the  "cdrw-base" package, which
> will add devfs.d and modules.d entries to make cdburning "just work".
>
> This was a small evenings work + testing made by me and Azarah, and
> current proposal is to make cdrdao and cdrecord depend on this package.
>
> Could I get some testers / comments on it, please?

It looks good (I didn't test as I don't have a burner at this pc), but I think 
the cdrw-base name might be confusing in the future (we might want to add 
support for dvd (re)writing too.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 01:37, Spider wrote:
> begin  quote
> On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:52:49 +0200
> foser <foser@foser.dyn.warande.net> wrote:
> 
> > On Mon, 2003-10-06 at 07:45, Alan wrote:
> > > Yay!  Congrats on the hard work to the gentoo gnome guys!  
> > 
> > Thanks :)
> > 
> > > What is required to allow a user to burn CDs?  I'm not sure what the
> > > procedure to allow user access to this is for something like
> > > cdrecord
> > > (which IIRC n-cd-burner uses in the background).
> > 
> > Basically ide-scsi support in the kernel plus that your user should be
> > part of the cdrw group afaik. We're working on getting this as
> > transparant as possible, but it will take some more time. People who
> > already have everything set-up should have no problem using this
> > functionality right away.
> 
> 
> 
> Transparency is improved by installing the  "cdrw-base" package, which
> will add devfs.d and modules.d entries to make cdburning "just work".
> 
> This was a small evenings work + testing made by me and Azarah, and
> current proposal is to make cdrdao and cdrecord depend on this package. 
> 
> Could I get some testers / comments on it, please?

Does the user still need to be in the cdrw group?

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Tuesday 07 October 2003 13:10, Chris Gianelloni wrote:
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> Does the user still need to be in the cdrw group?

Yes, it just does all configuration for you.

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Sami Näätänen]

On Tuesday 07 October 2003 12:18, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
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> On Tuesday 07 October 2003 07:37, Spider wrote:
> > begin  quote
> > On Mon, 06 Oct 2003 12:52:49 +0200
> >
> >
> > Transparency is improved by installing the  "cdrw-base" package,
> > which will add devfs.d and modules.d entries to make cdburning
> > "just work".
> >
> > This was a small evenings work + testing made by me and Azarah, and
> > current proposal is to make cdrdao and cdrecord depend on this
> > package.
> >
> > Could I get some testers / comments on it, please?
>
> It looks good (I didn't test as I don't have a burner at this pc),
> but I think the cdrw-base name might be confusing in the future (we
> might want to add support for dvd (re)writing too.

And a same kind of package for dvd-rom, which could be a dependecy for 
MPlayer, ogle etc if dvd keyword is set. Now people have to change that 
by themself.



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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Spider]

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Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:

> > 
> > Transparency is improved by installing the  "cdrw-base" package,
> > which
> > will add devfs.d and modules.d entries to make cdburning "just
> > work".
> > 
> > This was a small evenings work + testing made by me and Azarah, and
> > current proposal is to make cdrdao and cdrecord depend on this
> > package. 
> > 
> > Could I get some testers / comments on it, please?
> 
> Does the user still need to be in the cdrw group?


Yes. And they still need ide-scsi compiled as a module (or into the
kernel)

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Spider]

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Paul de Vrieze <pauldv@gentoo.org> wrote:

> 
> >
> > Could I get some testers / comments on it, please?

> I think  the cdrw-base name might be confusing in the future (we might
>  want to add support for dvd (re)writing too.


Well it might be confusing, but right now it does only this, and for
configuration issues like this I would prefer to  K I S S instead of
adding support for various other hardware devices in the same
over-reaching configuration package.

The rationale for that is simply plugability. As it is, this package
will configure the cdrw, and only that.  adding dvd-base to configure
dvd for reading (its still commented in devfsd.conf ) and dvd-rw is
another package's job. 


or, if you disagree vehemently. Got a better name suggestion? 


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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 13:33, Spider wrote:
> begin  quote
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 07:10:13 -0400
> Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > > 
> > > Transparency is improved by installing the  "cdrw-base" package,
> > > which
> > > will add devfs.d and modules.d entries to make cdburning "just
> > > work".
> > > 
> > > This was a small evenings work + testing made by me and Azarah, and
> > > current proposal is to make cdrdao and cdrecord depend on this
> > > package. 
> > > 
> > > Could I get some testers / comments on it, please?
> > 
> > Does the user still need to be in the cdrw group?
> 
> 
> Yes. And they still need ide-scsi compiled as a module (or into the
> kernel)

Just curious, but why?  There's no need for ide-scsi in most cases. 
There are probably quite a few people whom are using ide-scsi when the
ATAPI interface works perfectly fine.  Is ide-scsi a requirement of this
ebuild or is it simply "a working burning setup"?  I'm just curious
before I go testing, since my machines either have a) SCSI burners, or
b) use ATAPI perfectly.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Alan]

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> > > Could I get some testers / comments on it, please?

Emerging now... .sadly I can't test until I get home tonight.

> > I think  the cdrw-base name might be confusing in the future (we might
> >  want to add support for dvd (re)writing too.
> 
> 
> Well it might be confusing, but right now it does only this, and for
> configuration issues like this I would prefer to  K I S S instead of
> adding support for various other hardware devices in the same
> over-reaching configuration package.
> 
> The rationale for that is simply plugability. As it is, this package
> will configure the cdrw, and only that.  adding dvd-base to configure
> dvd for reading (its still commented in devfsd.conf ) and dvd-rw is
> another package's job. 

I agree with this... it keeps with the 'only install what you need'
gentoo philosophy.

alan


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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Spider]

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Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:

> Just curious, but why?  There's no need for ide-scsi in most cases. 
> There are probably quite a few people whom are using ide-scsi when the
> ATAPI interface works perfectly fine.  Is ide-scsi a requirement of
> this
> ebuild or is it simply "a working burning setup"?  I'm just curious
> before I go testing, since my machines either have a) SCSI burners, or
> b) use ATAPI perfectly.
> 


Actually because cd-burner frontends do not understand the ATAPI
interface yet.  of course, patching theese to be the perfect companion
and work all over the place is just the "correct idea" to solve every
magic problem.  I don't have time, effort, or the incentive to take the
support for each and every cdrw frontend there is in portage. You are of
course welcome to do so though. :-)

So, basically its the "this works decently" and something that lets
cdburner frontends work.  ofc, if cdrecord -scanbus would actually work
on detecting ATAPI interface things would probably be better.


about scsi cdrw, I cannot speak. can you check that the build works,
doesn't fuck it over, and works, and suggest changes if this isn't the
case?







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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Mike Williams]

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On Tuesday 07 October 2003 21:59, Spider wrote:

> So, basically its the "this works decently" and something that lets
> cdburner frontends work.  ofc, if cdrecord -scanbus would actually work
> on detecting ATAPI interface things would probably be better.

mike@sauron mnt $ cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI:
Cdrecord 2.01a14 (i686-pc-linux-gnu) Copyright (C) 1995-2003 Jörg Schilling
scsidev: 'ATAPI:'
devname: 'ATAPI'
scsibus: -1 target: -1 lun: -1
Warning: Using ATA Packet interface.
Warning: The related libscg interface code is in pre alpha.
Warning: There may be fatal problems.
Using libscg version 'schily-0.7'
scsibus0:
        0,0,0     0) 'TEAC    ' 'DW-224E-A       ' '1.2A' Removable CD-ROM
        0,1,0     1) *
        0,2,0     2) *
        0,3,0     3) *
        0,4,0     4) *
        0,5,0     5) *
        0,6,0     6) *
        0,7,0     7) *

It's not the best documented feature, but does work.
CDBakeoven and K3B from KDE CVS already understand.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Spider]

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Mike Williams <mike@gaima.co.uk> wrote:

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> On Tuesday 07 October 2003 21:59, Spider wrote:
> 
> > So, basically its the "this works decently" and something that lets
> > cdburner frontends work.  ofc, if cdrecord -scanbus would actually
> > work on detecting ATAPI interface things would probably be better.
> 


> mike@sauron mnt $ cdrecord -scanbus dev=ATAPI:

Yes, this is exactly the behaviour i meant when I said "if cdrecord
-scanbus would actually work on detecting ATAPI interface" ..  by
default cdrecord -scanbus -doesn't- detect ATAPI interface or devices,
but require a dev= addon to the commandline. This is not what recorder
applications expect or are made for, ergo it doesn't work for most of
them-


> 
> It's not the best documented feature, but does work.
> CDBakeoven and K3B from KDE CVS already understand.


Yes, and probably nautilus-cd-burner and gtoaster will support it in
time for gnome 2.6.  Which isn't -now- .   Its now that we want to make
this simpler. 


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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 16:59, Spider wrote:
> begin  quote
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 15:43:11 -0400
> Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> > Just curious, but why?  There's no need for ide-scsi in most cases. 
> > There are probably quite a few people whom are using ide-scsi when the
> > ATAPI interface works perfectly fine.  Is ide-scsi a requirement of
> > this
> > ebuild or is it simply "a working burning setup"?  I'm just curious
> > before I go testing, since my machines either have a) SCSI burners, or
> > b) use ATAPI perfectly.
> > 
> 
> 
> Actually because cd-burner frontends do not understand the ATAPI
> interface yet.  of course, patching theese to be the perfect companion
> and work all over the place is just the "correct idea" to solve every
> magic problem.  I don't have time, effort, or the incentive to take the
> support for each and every cdrw frontend there is in portage. You are of
> course welcome to do so though. :-)

I have no problems with gtoaster and ATAPI burning.  I use it daily both
at work and at home.  All you do is set dev=ATAPI:x,y,z and it works
just like SCSI.

> So, basically its the "this works decently" and something that lets
> cdburner frontends work.  ofc, if cdrecord -scanbus would actually work
> on detecting ATAPI interface things would probably be better.

cdrecord dev=ATAPI -scanbus

> about scsi cdrw, I cannot speak. can you check that the build works,
> doesn't fuck it over, and works, and suggest changes if this isn't the
> case?

I'll look into it.  The long and the skinny essentially is... Does this
"require" ide-scsi or is it something left up to the user?  The changes
to devfs.d should be the same for either an IDE (using ide-scsi) or SCSI
burner.  This would of course *not* work with ATAPI burning, unless you
set all cdroms to be owned by cdrw, which wouldn't be such a hurtful
thing (would it?) at all.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Lars Weiler]

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* Mike Williams <mike@gaima.co.uk> [03/10/07 23:11 +0100]:
> It's not the best documented feature, but does work.
> CDBakeoven and K3B from KDE CVS already understand.

And so does X-CD-Roast since alpha13 (means January 2003).
But good to know, that the KDE-apps also support this
feature :)

Regards, Lars

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Spider]

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Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:


the cdrecord -scanbus, should preferrably detect ATAPI without having to
set the "dev=" variable, is what I tried to point out.  if it would, it
would suddenly become usable with all existing frontends.




>  The long and the skinny essentially is... Does this "require"
>  ide-scsi or is it something left up to the user?  The  changes to
>  devfs.d should be the same for either an IDE (using  ide-scsi) or 
>  SCSI burner.  This would of course *not* work with ATAPI burning,
>  unless you set all cdroms to be owned by cdrw, which wouldn't  be
>  such a hurtful thing (would it?) at all. 


Actually it doesnt, the thing im worried about is the modules.d changes,
since I cannot test them.


as for owning, yes, that -is- a problem as it would interfere with the
cdrom group for users. (a user with cdrw group could mess a user with
only "cdrom" access over.  And cdrom should be enough to do ripping, if
we chown it to cdrw it won't be. == b0rk. )


//Spider



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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Paul de Vrieze]

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On Wednesday 08 October 2003 00:42, Spider wrote:
>
> Actually it doesnt, the thing im worried about is the modules.d changes,
> since I cannot test them.
>
>
> as for owning, yes, that -is- a problem as it would interfere with the
> cdrom group for users. (a user with cdrw group could mess a user with
> only "cdrom" access over.  And cdrom should be enough to do ripping, if
> we chown it to cdrw it won't be. == b0rk. )
>

So, again we are waiting for devfs with acl support (and better acl support in 
general)

Paul

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Re: [gentoo-dev] GNOME 2.4 marked stable on x86

[Chris Gianelloni]

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On Tue, 2003-10-07 at 18:42, Spider wrote:
> begin  quote
> On Tue, 07 Oct 2003 18:25:30 -0400
> Chris Gianelloni <wolf31o2@gentoo.org> wrote:
> 
> 
> the cdrecord -scanbus, should preferrably detect ATAPI without having to
> set the "dev=" variable, is what I tried to point out.  if it would, it
> would suddenly become usable with all existing frontends.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> >  The long and the skinny essentially is... Does this "require"
> >  ide-scsi or is it something left up to the user?  The  changes to
> >  devfs.d should be the same for either an IDE (using  ide-scsi) or 
> >  SCSI burner.  This would of course *not* work with ATAPI burning,
> >  unless you set all cdroms to be owned by cdrw, which wouldn't  be
> >  such a hurtful thing (would it?) at all. 
> 
> 
> Actually it doesnt, the thing im worried about is the modules.d changes,
> since I cannot test them.

I'll take a look at them sometime during the next couple days and give
them a whirl on a SCSI box or two.

> 
> 
> as for owning, yes, that -is- a problem as it would interfere with the
> cdrom group for users. (a user with cdrw group could mess a user with
> only "cdrom" access over.  And cdrom should be enough to do ripping, if
> we chown it to cdrw it won't be. == b0rk. )
> 
> 
> //Spider
> 
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Developer, Gentoo Linux
Games Team

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[gentoo-dev] nasm-0.98.38 marked stable

[Michael Sterrett -Mr. Bones.-]

Greetings,

    Just a heads up to let people know I've marked nasm-0.98.38 stable.
    It's been ~x86 since 2003/09/12 and has been working great for me.
    No bugs specifically related to this version of nasm were found
    in bugzilla.

Later,

Michael Sterrett
  -Mr. Bones.-
mr_bones_@gentoo.org


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