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From: Kevyn Shortell <trance@gentoo.org>
To: Steven Elling <ellings@kcnet.com>
Cc: Gentoo-Dev <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Some suggestions
Date: 08 Sep 2003 15:27:24 -0700	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <1063060043.6781.3.camel@localhost> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <200309081639.14347.ellings@kcnet.com>

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On Mon, 2003-09-08 at 14:39, Steven Elling wrote:
> On Sunday 07 September 2003 10:02, Jan Krueger wrote:
> > On Sunday 07 September 2003 12:44, Martin Schlemmer wrote:
> > > heh.  Choose '2' for etc-update 8)
> >
> > Normally i do so. But i dont want to press this key!
> >
> > Please understand: Its not about pressing a key. Its about:
> >
> > Requiring expensive human interaction when there is no need for it.
> 
> Do that on several boxes and see how you feel about requiring `comment' 
> updates to a config file or even having to deal with files that shouldn't 
> need to be updated at all or manually.  I've supported 350 and 3000 UNIX 
> servers.  Imagine if they were all Gentoo

I don't imagine that in a production enviroment of 3000 machines, you
would be making such drastic changes often that would require you to run
that on 3000 machines. Do you regularly upgrade the Solaris compiler?
System Patches? Still requires just as much work. heh.

If you had to patch 3000 machines, then you'd be better spending your
time like most sysadmins do, and figure out a way to automate large
scale patch distribution =)

I'm not trying to minimalize your point, but making a follow up point,
You wouldn't use Gentoo in a 3000 system node without expecting some
kind of maintainance upgrade being required. That is of course, why
sysadmins get paid. =)

trance

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  reply	other threads:[~2003-09-08 22:27 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 144+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2003-09-06 18:05 [gentoo-dev] Some suggestions David Sankel
2003-09-06 19:21 ` Douglas Russell
2003-09-06 19:24   ` Douglas Russell
2003-09-06 19:45   ` [gentoo-dev] " David Sankel
2003-09-06 21:54     ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-09-15 19:48     ` Stewart Honsberger
2003-09-16  0:58       ` Steven Elling
2003-09-06 19:42 ` [gentoo-dev] " Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2003-09-06 19:48   ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2003-09-06 20:23   ` Phil Richards
2003-09-06 20:38     ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2003-09-07 19:41       ` Phil Richards
2003-09-07 20:21         ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2003-09-07 20:26         ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-06 19:46 ` Brian Jackson
2003-09-06 19:50 ` Marius Mauch
2003-09-06 20:46   ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2003-09-06 20:56     ` Douglas Russell
2003-09-06 21:13       ` Marius Mauch
2003-09-06 21:56     ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-09-06 21:58     ` Brian Harring
2003-09-06 22:30       ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2003-09-07  0:10       ` Steven Elling
2003-09-07  0:48         ` Luke-Jr
2003-09-07  7:58     ` Rutger Lubbers
2003-09-19 15:11       ` Paul de Vrieze
2003-09-06 23:48 ` Steven Elling
2003-09-06 23:55   ` Jason Stubbs
2003-09-06 23:56   ` Jon Portnoy
2003-09-07  0:26     ` Steven Elling
2003-09-07  0:57       ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-09-07  3:08         ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07  5:59           ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07  8:19             ` Troy Dack
2003-09-07  8:43               ` Jason Stubbs
2003-09-07 10:48               ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07 14:56                 ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 13:12                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07 17:55                     ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 16:07                       ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07 18:21                         ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 16:45                           ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2003-09-07 16:55                             ` Jon Portnoy
2003-09-07 16:57                               ` Jon Portnoy
2003-09-07 19:07                             ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 17:39                               ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2003-09-07 19:55                                 ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 18:03                                   ` Marius Mauch
2003-09-07 20:52                                     ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 18:53                                       ` Jon Portnoy
2003-09-07 21:37                                         ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 19:41                                           ` Jon Portnoy
2003-09-07 18:28                                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07 21:36                                     ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 18:36                                   ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2003-09-07 18:31                           ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 17:13                             ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07 20:14                             ` Kevyn Shortell
2003-09-08 21:16                   ` Steven Elling
2003-09-19 15:32                     ` Paul de Vrieze
2003-09-07 11:09               ` Alexander Gretencord
2003-09-08 20:56               ` Steven Elling
2003-09-07 10:44             ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07 14:29               ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 12:44                 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07 15:02                   ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 13:17                     ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
     [not found]                       ` <200309071523.03334.jk@microgalaxy.net>
2003-09-07 13:28                         ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2003-09-07 13:21                     ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07 15:22                       ` Sami Näätänen
2003-09-07 16:07                       ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 14:13                         ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07 14:15                           ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07 16:45                           ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 18:12                             ` [gentoo-dev] suggestion pkg_postinst Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 17:57                               ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07 20:18                                 ` [gentoo-dev] suggestion portage ebuild system file modification rights and protection Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 18:21                                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07 20:44                                     ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 19:20                                       ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07 21:43                                         ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 19:56                                           ` Jon Portnoy
2003-09-07 22:34                                             ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 20:35                                               ` Jon Portnoy
2003-09-08  1:32                                                 ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 23:41                                                   ` Jon Portnoy
2003-09-08  2:08                                                     ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-08  0:28                                                       ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-08  2:52                                                         ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-08  1:12                                                           ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-08  4:53                                                             ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-08  1:55                                                       ` Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2003-09-19 17:21                                                       ` Paul de Vrieze
2003-09-08  1:40                                                 ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-08  7:10                                                   ` Michael Cummings
2003-09-19 15:54                                                   ` Paul de Vrieze
2003-09-07 21:54                                           ` [gentoo-dev] suggestion rsync over ssl/ssh Jan Krueger
2003-09-07 19:57                                             ` Jon Portnoy
2003-09-07 23:41                                           ` [gentoo-dev] suggestion portage ebuild system file modification rights and protection Chris Bainbridge
2003-09-08  1:50                                             ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-08  0:22                                               ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-08  2:33                                                 ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-08  1:02                                                   ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-08  3:12                                                     ` [gentoo-dev] gentoo-project Jan Krueger
2003-09-08  1:22                                                       ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-08  1:44                                                       ` Seemant Kulleen
2003-09-08  4:34                                                         ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-08  4:54                                                           ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-08  3:03                                                             ` Jon Portnoy
2003-09-08  3:47                                                               ` Bill Kenworthy
2003-09-08  3:54                                                                 ` Jon Portnoy
2003-09-08  5:33                                                               ` Jan Krueger
2003-09-08  4:13                                                                 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-09  0:20                                                                 ` Marius Mauch
2003-09-09  9:42                                                                 ` Alexander Gretencord
2003-09-09 10:19                                                                   ` Stuart Herbert
2003-09-09 11:23                                                                     ` Alexander Gretencord
2003-09-08 21:39                     ` [gentoo-dev] Some suggestions Steven Elling
2003-09-08 22:27                       ` Kevyn Shortell [this message]
2003-09-07 16:54                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-09-08 15:57             ` Nathaniel
2003-09-08 16:06               ` Ferris McCormick
2003-09-09 15:14                 ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-09-09 15:11               ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-09-09 22:57                 ` William Kenworthy
2003-09-10 13:46                   ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-09-10 14:37                     ` Nathaniel
2003-09-10 14:56                       ` Philippe Coulonges
2003-09-10 21:37                     ` Steven Elling
2003-09-11  7:46                     ` Troy Dack
2003-09-11  7:54                     ` Troy Dack
2003-09-11 16:20                       ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-09-07 16:43           ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-09-07 17:27             ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-07 20:37               ` Doug Weimer
2003-09-07 21:04                 ` Martin Schlemmer
2003-09-08 22:15             ` Steven Elling
2003-09-08 20:42           ` Steven Elling
2003-09-09  0:10             ` Steven Elling
2003-09-09 20:12               ` Chris Gianelloni
2003-09-08 20:12         ` Steven Elling
2003-09-06 23:53 ` [gentoo-dev] Some suggestions (SUMMARY?) Jason Stubbs
2003-09-07  0:18   ` [gentoo-dev] Some suggestions Thomas de Grenier de Latour
2003-09-07  0:04 ` Luke-Jr

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