Re: [gentoo-dev] desktop

[foser <foser@foser.dyn.warande.net>]

On Thu, 2003-08-28 at 16:00, Paul de Vrieze wrote:
> The menu system is not about having the same menu in all windowmanagers as 
> much as it is about having every application added to the menu of whatever 
> windowmanager you are using. Independent of what kind of toolkit the 
> application uses. A vanilla useflag would function like currently the foreign 
> package flag does for the kdeadmin ebuild. That flag enables the compilation 
> of a package manager that is standard but currently does not work well with 
> gentoo (it being not an rpm based system).

I know it isn't, but it's one of the uses. I was thinking when i wrote
it i should've explicitly added that it wasn't all this is about, but
thought it unneeded. Wrong again, it was just an example.

I was later on hammering at the fact that the wm's better be adapted by
us than us providing layers of stitchy support on distro level.

> For the menu system it might be necessary to patch some windowmanagers to be 
> able to use our menu's while keeping some compatibility with a situation 
> where the menu manager is not installed. Those changes are normally small and 
> localised, but generally change some part of the plumbing of such a program 
> while keeping generally the same behaviour. If you want to hack with a 
> windowmanager yourself those changes might be confusing and hence the 
> "vanilla" flag

Vanilla flag for what, if it's not good enough for everyone it shouldn't
be needed. Although we are still talking details of 1 proposed project
here with 1 possible implementation in mind. I don't think that is what
this thread was meant to be about.

> The idea is not to create some monstrous gentoo-specific monstrosity as redhat 
> does with kde. It is just small changes to make sure that everything "just 
> works". For example take a look to 
> http://bugs.gentoo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=14872

> Which is an enhancement I wrote so that things like kmail gpg support is easy 
> to install, just as all kinds of IME's (for our asian friends)

All interesting stuff i know about and i agree with it would be nice to
have implemented. But i react to the initial mail here which implies
much bigger changes. As said i'm not against patching up stuff a little
when functional.

> Gnome's configuration does not include a menu system with all installed X 
> applications

I assume these 'X applications' you speak of don't even install desktop
items at all. This could be easily fixed by providing current
freedesktop spec following items.

- foser


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