From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 11829 invoked by uid 1002); 24 Aug 2003 20:41:45 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 26537 invoked from network); 24 Aug 2003 20:41:44 -0000 From: Kevyn Shortell To: Brad Laue Cc: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <3F48D544.80005@gentoo.org> References: <20030823210429.57e7e85c.genone@genone.de> <3F47C082.8020900@gentoo.org> <1061670566.6740.16.camel@localhost> <3F4867BF.7060708@gentoo.org> <1061714007.6740.38.camel@localhost> <3F48D544.80005@gentoo.org> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-QzApMOT77aZFvW+Kz4CC" Organization: Message-Id: <1061757692.6762.49.camel@localhost> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4- Date: 24 Aug 2003 13:41:32 -0700 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] reason for dhcpcd in system profile ? X-Archives-Salt: 5c124600-737b-4bd4-a260-76a79e087394 X-Archives-Hash: da1af12bb858f1e6c07a807184cd175e --=-QzApMOT77aZFvW+Kz4CC Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sun, 2003-08-24 at 08:09, Brad Laue wrote: > Bell Canada's Sympatico service started out as the driving force behind=20 > the development of PPPoE clients under Linux, and the past two releases=20 > of both Mandrake and RedHat have in fact included built-in support and=20 > configuration frontends that enable a user to get online with minimal=20 > hassle. While it's a popular favorite of Canada, I know a lot of people in the US who aren't as fond of it as you are. And Mandrake and RedHat also include dhcp client support. I'm not saying rip out pppoe. I'm saying we should include what is required to get someone on the net as part of the base system. Thats ANY network. Not just Canada's PPPoE network. > Re: the sanity of choosing DHCP over PPPoE, the main perceived drawback=20 > is the dynamic IP. This is a management issue - PPPoE is as capable of=20 > delivering a static IP to the user as standard PPP is. As for=20 > encapsulation overhead, 1meg and 3meg service render this unnoticeable=20 > to the user (it may perhaps be 'less efficient' from a purist=20 > standpoint, but these are residential connections we're talking about). Never cared why they chose it. If you want to go the technical purist standpoint, PPPoE is the spawn of satan. If it works for the customer however, I don't see an issue. The whole if it works use it thing. =3D) >=20 > At any rate, seeing as both PPPoE and DHCP are not as universal as=20 > ethernet (which requires the presence of such utilities as ifconfig in=20 > the basic system), and are both really fast emerges, wouldn't they=20 > contribute to a nice small base system? They seem more reasonable=20 > choices than some of the other suggestions I'm seeing. I would still have to disagree. Most places I've worked at, or school at, still used DCHP on ethernet. I've only ever had to use PPPoE once. Only one place I've ever worked at handed out static IP's internally to employees, there is no need. DHCP works perfectly in that enviroment. >=20 > > I agree that pruning the base system is probably a good idea, but why > > look at basic network components that atleast half of our users require > > in order to get their machine on the net? >=20 > Because they're options, and options are not defaults. :P Your right, networking is an option, I hadn't realized that. Thank you for pointing it out. Lets just rip out ifconfig, dhcpcd, pppoe, and tell everyone to use GRP CD's cause that fad called a network is dead.=20 >=20 > Brad Kevyn --=-QzApMOT77aZFvW+Kz4CC Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/SSL8Ev5Qt5rjz1YRAvWRAJ9y+9VVKgy4aQmPrKII9BJkGKYLNACfYa8e bXnKMYyqHJnUlXaI2OdHTuo= =upLm -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-QzApMOT77aZFvW+Kz4CC--