From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 22589 invoked by uid 1002); 22 Aug 2003 00:08:57 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 11666 invoked from network); 22 Aug 2003 00:08:56 -0000 From: Alec Berryman To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-M27JchOgnOtp5c1TOy9X" Message-Id: <1061510935.2407.7.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.4 Date: Thu, 21 Aug 2003 19:08:55 -0500 Subject: [gentoo-dev] Summary: Install CD Bloat thread X-Archives-Salt: f63b2cec-57ec-4f4c-9957-d2c4d143f670 X-Archives-Hash: 5ef6230f35abf04be992fdb1ac9406a3 --=-M27JchOgnOtp5c1TOy9X Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Install CD Bloat Thread Summary: Kurt Lieber started off the thread: "I've used the same installation CD for most of my gentoo installs over the past few months, so I was shocked today when I realized that the=20 smallest install ISO that we currently offer (at least for x86) is 80MB. When I started with Gentoo, it was ~15MB. =20 What brought about the nearly six-fold increase in size for our basic installation CD?" The first culprit pointed out was vim. Many said that they would not need vim, or even vi, to edit their /etc/make.conf. Others said that because vi was a UNIX/Linux/POSIX.2 standard, it needed to be on the CD. Although no compromise was reached, it was generally agreed that vim should be replaced by a smaller vi clone, perhaps nvi (the standard BSD vi) or vi itself. Aron Griffis pleaded that no substandard vi clones be considered. Several people asked that no tools duplicate functionality, such as nano and vim. The thread degeneraged quickly. Another culprit for the increase was the inclusion of Perl 5. No one could figure out a good reason for it to be on there. Sven Vermeulen asked if links would be kept or replaced with lynx.=20 While lynx is smaller, it does not display tables or frames. Links is more difficult to configure with a proxy. Stewart Honsberger suggested that lynx go on the minimal cd (see below), while lynx go on the larger CDs. Stuart Herbert suggested the use of cloop, which should be in portage in less than a week. Chris proposed three CD sets: an minimal install CD with a stage1 tarball, a large LiveCD with common UNIX tools and a GUI, as well as a full GRP CD. Luke-Jr replied that the new InGen LiveCDs would fit as the "large LiveCD", but thought that there would not be enough space to also use that as a base for the full GRP CD. Stuart Herbert and others asked for the minimal install CD to be less than 55MB in order to fit on keychain USB devices. Others wanted the minimal install CD to size down to the original 16MB. Another idea was for each user to generate his own custom LiveCD through a set of scripts. --=-M27JchOgnOtp5c1TOy9X Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA/RV8XFzqxRt+zZvIRAs5lAJwMM4hw/tMng/OG4y1IQaW4QrSLFwCffvVJ WcAC2DH6ZwHOyNphHAPZuwA= =7Tms -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-M27JchOgnOtp5c1TOy9X--