From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: <gentoo-dev-return-4159-arch-gentoo-dev=gentoo.org@gentoo.org> Received: (qmail 11292 invoked by uid 1002); 28 Jun 2003 10:55:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: <mailto:gentoo-dev@gentoo.org> List-Help: <mailto:gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org> List-Unsubscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev-unsubscribe@gentoo.org> List-Subscribe: <mailto:gentoo-dev-subscribe@gentoo.org> List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail <gentoo-dev.gentoo.org> X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 32047 invoked from network); 28 Jun 2003 10:55:43 -0000 From: Martin Schlemmer <azarah@gentoo.org> Reply-To: azarah@gentoo.org To: Jon Portnoy <avenj@gentoo.org> Cc: Gentoo-User <gentoo-user@gentoo.org>, Gentoo-Dev <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: <20030626035024.GA10521@cerberus.oppresses.us> References: <20030626032450.GA15746@force.stwing.upenn.edu> <20030626035024.GA10521@cerberus.oppresses.us> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-0uVvf0GVKMS+bmY7kDxu" Organization: Message-Id: <1056797822.8020.41.camel@nosferatu.lan> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.4- Date: 28 Jun 2003 12:57:02 +0200 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] donations to what? X-Archives-Salt: 5d7c081f-e423-4266-9384-2bcd9aca0d09 X-Archives-Hash: 09d91dd357ce36f7768e5499259a6ffb --=-0uVvf0GVKMS+bmY7kDxu Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Thu, 2003-06-26 at 05:50, Jon Portnoy wrote: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2003 at 11:24:50PM -0400, Owen Gunden wrote: > > (cross posted to gentoo-user & gentoo-dev) > >=20 >=20 > >=20 > > As far as I can tell gentoo is a for-profit company; does that mean my > > money could just go straight into Gentoo Inc.'s profit margin? Is ther= e > > any way for me to make a donation that I am sure will get back to the > > community? > >=20 >=20 > Gentoo is going to go non-profit soon. The last time I checked, it is non-profit. The big problem however (which nobody really do seem to understand, or want to for that matter), is that because we are small (is this really a fact anymore?), we do not have dedicated long-term financial backup (last time I checked anyhow). Meaning, as long as I have been on the dev team (going/over 2 years now?), everything that needed doing, was either paid for by Daniel, or donated by one of the other devs. Sure, it have changed somewhat in the last few months, but people like Daniel and Seemant, who pretty much do this full time, had to scratch to get by. Also, some of the other devs that is/was more key figures, that could not do it full time, could only give so much time to Gentoo. Gentoo Games was thus formed to (if I have all the facts straight) in an attempt to get a more steady stream of funds to start and sponsor key developers for full time development, and then also when they are settled, to help more devs that actively contributing to start working full time (you do want Gentoo to grow, etc right?). It seems that nobody do realise that Gentoo the distribution, is and will always be non-profit, but that Gentoo Games (or whatever) will be a means to develop technology outside Gentoo Linux to help sponsor devs for full time development. Not to give Daniel or Seemant enough funds to buy a new house and a few Ferrari's. The only reason for whining about this, and not wanting to understand it, is in my opinion "just another zealot for no business with OS" (Open Source). Do not understand me wrong, trying to back-stab people, etc for own personal riches with OS is wrong. But is it wrong for the people doing the actual work to want to do it without having to worry about how they are going to get through this month with something to eat ? And just for those that was wondering - no, I have not received a single sent, hardware or any other forms of compensation for my few contributions to Gentoo. Regards, --=20 Martin Schlemmer Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop/System Team Developer Cape Town, South Africa --=-0uVvf0GVKMS+bmY7kDxu Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+/XR9qburzKaJYLYRAn+lAJ4y3AMS5fFY1YTdAOWkAtbgvP9H/gCfVybt oOM77gc8zK79HIHuh6k3HMs= =XQ+2 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-0uVvf0GVKMS+bmY7kDxu--