From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25028 invoked by uid 1002); 27 Jun 2003 21:38:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 31439 invoked from network); 27 Jun 2003 21:38:32 -0000 From: Todd Berman Reply-To: tberman@gentoo.org To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <1056746975.1164.31.camel@localhost> References: <87r85fba2o.fsf@killr.ath.cx> <20030627194703.GA404@cerberus.oppresses.us> <1056746975.1164.31.camel@localhost> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-z9AqOmQbEMVxo9up3HcY" Message-Id: <1056749877.9103.5.camel@phaze> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.0 Date: 27 Jun 2003 17:37:58 -0400 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: [gentoo-core] proposal: make gentoo-core publicly read-only X-Archives-Salt: a7fd509c-be2e-48ce-bd9e-41fb8501df87 X-Archives-Hash: a05cd9b1b8fc145345d60fb6957db661 --=-z9AqOmQbEMVxo9up3HcY Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, 2003-06-27 at 16:49, Alec Berryman wrote: > Currently, -dev isn't a developer list; most of the e-mail is users' > suggestions discussed by other users and the occasional dev, as well as > the occasional mis-post targeted for -user. Perhaps in the future, if > -core would be accessible to the community that drive it, -dev could be > the buffer zone between the final work of the developers and the user > community. Right now, there's a feeling that the developers are > shutting themselves in an ivory tower. That's not good for community.=20 > Gentoo's social contract has always said it will not "hide its > problems", but has continued to keep its core development decisions > closed. Just as a quick point of reference, I have been a gentoo developer for ~3 months or so, maybe a bit less. You want to know how I became a gentoo developer? It had nothing to do with finding the keys to the fabled tower, or making the right friends, and had everything to do with being willing to give a bit of my time and energy to serve something that is needed in gentoo. All I did was make a couple small proposals here about some general stuff, and then offer to maintain the sendmail ebuild. Thats it, no hocus-pocus, no magic words, no secret rites, not even a special handshake. (Man, did I feel gypped!) My point is just this, you want access to -core, become a developer, its part of the territory. And I might be going out on a limb here, but I'm pretty sure that many other non-profit Linux distributions have non-open lists. In fact, I would be very surprised if any Linux distributions don't. --Todd --=-z9AqOmQbEMVxo9up3HcY Content-Type: application/pgp-signature; name=signature.asc Content-Description: This is a digitally signed message part -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.2 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQA+/Lk1PaCtt9MQLlARAn8BAJ92Sp+DiQV3BUyN0o3vior6iertiACgti0O +U5lk/eKxNfE7kvYjFLy3qo= =Z3eo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-z9AqOmQbEMVxo9up3HcY--