From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 20536 invoked by uid 1002); 13 Apr 2003 13:53:39 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 29715 invoked from network); 13 Apr 2003 13:53:39 -0000 From: Cliff Free Reply-To: brd@alumni.clemson.edu To: "Derek J. Belrose" Cc: bdharring@wisc.edu, gentoo-dev@gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <3E99324E.9090001@omegabyte.com> References: <200304130523.26770.cedric@neopeak.com> <3E992E19.1010501@omegabyte.com> <200304130434.37030.bdharring@wisc.edu> <3E99324E.9090001@omegabyte.com> Content-Type: text/plain Organization: Message-Id: <1050242111.23405.14.camel@Jester.poody.net> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.2.3- Date: 13 Apr 2003 09:55:11 -0400 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] GUI installer X-Archives-Salt: 90c4c181-9e8a-4ab6-baf8-08f950874ff8 X-Archives-Hash: b703cb48f4fe340e123afbbb7c03f4bd That sounds good to me. I'm no P.M. either, but I'd be willing to help with some grunt-work.(this is becoming an itch I want to scratch. :-D ) On Sun, 2003-04-13 at 05:47, Derek J. Belrose wrote: > I'm all for doing it this way if everyone agrees. I think it would be a > decent start, definitely. > > I'm gonna head to sleep...it's almost 6am here. But, I want to carry on > a discussion with you about the cli portage viewer/manager. I have been > thinking about this one a lot, and want to hear other people's ideas on > it. > > I'm wondering if this will increase the threads on gentoo-dev enough to > warrant something like an IRC channel to do more of a realtime chat thing. > > I'm pretty easy right now as i'm unemployed :) If anyone wants to offer > suggestions on how to take this step by step, it would be pretty cool. > Project management isn't my forte. > > I like python...so I, myself would suggest a decent python/ncurses > layout for the cli viewer/manager. I'll start documenting my thoughts > on this when the sun rises :) > > Alright, > nite... > > Brian Harring wrote: > > >While I think an X based installer would be nice, I think we might benefit > >from first doing up a cli based installer first... at the very least, we > >would need a cli portage viewer/manager, which would be a nice package on > >it's own... > > > >Something also I thought about (and have been playing with), is having > >essentially a two stage process for the installer- basically everything prior > >to the chroot, and then everything after. Why? Well, it would be nice to > >have the first half of the installer handle all the fdisking, untarring, etc. > >From there, it chroots, emerge syncs and emerge portages, then pulls down the > >newest version of itself, and runs that. > > > >From there, if we wanted we could probably setup some simple equivalent of a > >quicky binary x server/svgalib for a x based installer. Meanwhile, if we > >have at least a basic cli installer setup, that would be immediately useful > >for the cd's, and w/ an update capability, we could push a graphical > >installer down to the user once we have it ready... > >Thoughts? > >~harring > >bdharring@wisc.edu > > > >On Sunday 13 April 2003 04:30 am, Derek J. Belrose wrote: > > > > > >>The only real way I can think of is to do some checks on if X is > >>running, and if it is, use a graphical toolkit for X...if not, use a > >>terminal based kit like ncurses. > >> > >>I like this idea. I should download a liveCD to throw some code on and > >>do tests. > >> > >>Is anyone against pyGTK or something like it? pyQT? wxPython? > >> > >>Is anyone against python? :) > >> > >>Cedric Veilleux wrote: > >> > >> > >>>Why not simply use gentoo's livecd? > >>> > >>>The livecd can boot the user into a fully loaded console or X workstation, > >>>with all the tools needed. > >>> > >>>The installer could be an additional tool on the liveCD system.. Anybody > >>>knows a GUI abstration toolkit that can generate either terminal based or > >>>X based interface, depending on what's available at runtime? > >>> > >>>This way the same installer could be used if X is not working or can't be > >>>used. > >>> > >>>In both environment (terminal / X), multitasking would be possible so > >>>experienced users could perform manual tasks while the installer is > >>>waiting for input.. > >>> > >>> > >>>Just my 2 cents, > >>> > >>>Cedric > >>> > >>> > >>-- > >>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list > >> > >> > > > > > >-- > >gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list > > > > > > > > > > -- > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list -- Cliff Free -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list