* [gentoo-dev] ISC-Bind inconsistancy
@ 2003-03-14 17:34 Thomas T. Veldhouse
2003-03-14 20:26 ` Norberto BENSA
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From: Thomas T. Veldhouse @ 2003-03-14 17:34 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev
Can anybody explain why bind-tools is at version 9.2.2 but bind itself is
pinned at 9.2.2rc1? I don't understand this reasoning at all. I am a
little unclear why there are two separate packages in the first place.
Tom Veldhouse
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] ISC-Bind inconsistancy
2003-03-14 17:34 Thomas T. Veldhouse
@ 2003-03-14 20:26 ` Norberto BENSA
2003-03-14 21:06 ` Max Kalika
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From: Norberto BENSA @ 2003-03-14 20:26 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Thomas T. Veldhouse, gentoo-dev
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On Friday 14 March 2003 02:34 pm, Thomas T. Veldhouse wrote:
> Can anybody explain why bind-tools is at version 9.2.2 but bind itself is
> pinned at 9.2.2rc1? I don't understand this reasoning at all. I am a
> little unclear why there are two separate packages in the first place.
>
When was the last time you emerge synd'ed?
* net-dns/bind
Latest version available: 9.2.2
Latest version installed: 9.2.2
Size of downloaded files: 4,936 kB
Homepage: http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/bind9.html
Description: BIND - Berkeley Internet Name Domain - Name Server
* net-dns/bind-tools
Latest version available: 9.2.2
Latest version installed: 9.2.2
Size of downloaded files: 4,936 kB
Homepage: http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/bind9-beta.html
Description: bind tools: dig, nslookup, and host
BTW, the reason for the two packages is that few people want a name server in
their boxes, but almost every one want nslookup, host, dig, and other tools.
HTH,
Norberto
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] ISC-Bind inconsistancy
2003-03-14 20:26 ` Norberto BENSA
@ 2003-03-14 21:06 ` Max Kalika
2003-03-14 22:44 ` Norberto BENSA
2003-03-16 15:38 ` Thomas T. Veldhouse
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From: Max Kalika @ 2003-03-14 21:06 UTC (permalink / raw
To: nbensa, gentoo-dev
Quoting Norberto BENSA <nbensa@gmx.net>:
> When was the last time you emerge synd'ed?
>
> * net-dns/bind
> Latest version available: 9.2.2
> Latest version installed: 9.2.2
>
> * net-dns/bind-tools
> Latest version available: 9.2.2
> Latest version installed: 9.2.2
I think he's running a stable gentoo (x86 not ~x86) ..
* net-dns/bind
Latest version available: 9.2.2_rc1-r2
Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
Size of downloaded files: 4,930 kB
Homepage: http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/bind9-beta.html
Description: BIND - Berkeley Internet Name Domain - Name Server
* net-dns/bind-tools
Latest version available: 9.2.2
Latest version installed: 9.2.2
Size of downloaded files: 4,936 kB
Homepage: http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/bind9-beta.html
Description: bind tools: dig, nslookup, and host
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] ISC-Bind inconsistancy
2003-03-14 21:06 ` Max Kalika
@ 2003-03-14 22:44 ` Norberto BENSA
2003-03-16 15:38 ` Thomas T. Veldhouse
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From: Norberto BENSA @ 2003-03-14 22:44 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Max Kalika, nbensa, gentoo-dev
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On Friday 14 March 2003 06:06 pm, Max Kalika wrote:
> Quoting Norberto BENSA <nbensa@gmx.net>:
> > When was the last time you emerge synd'ed?
>
> I think he's running a stable gentoo (x86 not ~x86) ..
>
Yup, I thought 'bout that just right after click on send.
Regards,
Norberto
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] ISC-Bind inconsistancy
@ 2003-03-14 23:48 Stroller
2003-03-16 15:37 ` Thomas T. Veldhouse
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From: Stroller @ 2003-03-14 23:48 UTC (permalink / raw
To: gentoo-dev; +Cc: stroller
"Thomas T. Veldhouse" wrote
>
> ... bind-tools ... bind itself
> I am a little unclear why there are two separate packages in
> the first place.
Whilst I can't comment on your other points, I supect that the short answer to this last is because "that's the way that Berkeley (?) package them'.
I can see good reason for having 2 separate packages: Joe User buys his DNS hosting service from ISP.net, as he lives out in the country & can't run a 24/7 Bind server (his servers are at another.isp.net & bigISP.com). He wants to query his DNS config periodically, however, to check it, and so he can make requests to customer.admin@ISP.net; consequently Joe User needs Bind-tools, but not Bind itself.
HTH,
Stroller.
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] ISC-Bind inconsistancy
2003-03-14 23:48 [gentoo-dev] ISC-Bind inconsistancy Stroller
@ 2003-03-16 15:37 ` Thomas T. Veldhouse
2003-03-16 19:52 ` Stroller
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From: Thomas T. Veldhouse @ 2003-03-16 15:37 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Stroller, gentoo-dev; +Cc: stroller
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From: "Stroller" <gentoogimp@myrealbox.com>
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Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 5:48 PM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ISC-Bind inconsistancy
>Whilst I can't comment on your other points, I supect that the short answer
to this last is >because "that's the way that Berkeley (?) package them'.
Uhm -- no they didn't. They are in the same source tarball.
>I can see good reason for having 2 separate packages: Joe User buys his DNS
hosting >service from ISP.net, as he lives out in the country & can't run a
24/7 Bind server (his >servers are at another.isp.net & bigISP.com). He
wants to query his DNS config >periodically, however, to check it, and so he
can make requests to >customer.admin@ISP.net; consequently Joe User needs
Bind-tools, but not Bind itself.
I can not. The size of the additional named binary is small. Very small.
The cost of building the entire package twice is much bigger. I can see
having a separate package that installs only the tools, but I can not see
having the bind package not install the tools in the first place.
Tom Veldhouse
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] ISC-Bind inconsistancy
2003-03-14 21:06 ` Max Kalika
2003-03-14 22:44 ` Norberto BENSA
@ 2003-03-16 15:38 ` Thomas T. Veldhouse
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From: Thomas T. Veldhouse @ 2003-03-16 15:38 UTC (permalink / raw
To: Max Kalika, nbensa, gentoo-dev
Yes, and it is inconsistant :)
Tom Veldhouse
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From: "Max Kalika" <max+lists.gentoo-dev@lsit.ucsb.edu>
To: <nbensa@yahoo.com>; <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>
Sent: Friday, March 14, 2003 3:06 PM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] ISC-Bind inconsistancy
> * net-dns/bind
> Latest version available: 9.2.2_rc1-r2
> Latest version installed: [ Not Installed ]
> Size of downloaded files: 4,930 kB
> Homepage: http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/bind9-beta.html
> Description: BIND - Berkeley Internet Name Domain - Name Server
>
> * net-dns/bind-tools
> Latest version available: 9.2.2
> Latest version installed: 9.2.2
> Size of downloaded files: 4,936 kB
> Homepage: http://www.isc.org/products/BIND/bind9-beta.html
> Description: bind tools: dig, nslookup, and host
>
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* Re: [gentoo-dev] ISC-Bind inconsistancy
2003-03-16 15:37 ` Thomas T. Veldhouse
@ 2003-03-16 19:52 ` Stroller
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From: Stroller @ 2003-03-16 19:52 UTC (permalink / raw
To: veldy; +Cc: gentoo-dev
Thomas T. Veldhouse said:
>
>>Whilst I can't comment on your other points, I supect that the short
>> answer
>> to this last is because "that's the way that Berkeley (?) package
> them'.
>
> Uhm -- no they didn't. They are in the same source tarball.
Many apologies - my mistake. I was quite sure that was the case.
Stroller.
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