From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.1 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_NONE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from inventor.gentoo.org (inventor.gentoo.org [216.223.235.2]) by chiba.3jane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3F311AC54A for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 12:34:01 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by inventor.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0639C1C0EE1 for ; Thu, 19 Sep 2002 11:03:08 -0600 (MDT) From: Daniel Robbins To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.8 Date: 19 Sep 2002 11:03:08 -0600 Message-Id: <1032454989.26838.81.camel@inventor.gentoo.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [gentoo-dev] [Fwd: gentoo.org reorg (GDN/GUN)] Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux developer list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: b9839264-76e8-488e-b90e-3c550d7b8e89 X-Archives-Hash: 29e1dabd8adae8fd70a462b6a324a38f -----Forwarded Message----- From: antonio.meireles@epandemic.com Subject: [gentoo-core] gentoo.org reorg (GDN/GUN) Date: 17 Sep 2002 17:33:09 +0100 for public review / comments / whatever ________________________________________________________________________ =20 version 0.0.1 (14/September/2002 [18h00 GMT-0] ) Objectives/Goals: * have gentoo.org to function as a central hub to all our (growing) community * from an end-user perspective * from a developer perspective=20 * from a multilingual/multinational perpective=20 * from an OEM/ISV/VC perpective * from a non (yet) gentoo-user perpective comming from *NIX land * from a non (yet) gentoo-user perspective comming fron Win*/Mac ... * from a (mainstream/IT) press perspective * [insert here] from an yet not thougth perspective=20 Current issues/problems * the current web site is confuse, graphically not very atractive and lacks clear focus, doesn 't even have a search function * the current web site targets (almost) only english speaking users * there isn 't a clear separation between what is information targeted at developers and what is information targeted at end-users * information regarding the same issues is disperse around several places: Mailing lists, foruns, instalation docs, bugzilla, etc, makind it hard to find for inexperienced users=20 * when one reach gentoo.org (non gentoo user/developer) there isn 't a clear message about Gentoo nature, and what make him different/better on the front-page * the information/structure available is too english-centric wich takes to the proliferation of national/regional gentooo sites, which makes us loose cohesion and weakes the community as a whole=20 * [insert here] other issues/problems Watching how others handle the situation ... Four case studies * Zope community * www.zope.com * www.zope.org * Microsoft * www.microsoft.com * support.microsoft.com * msdn.microsoft.com * ActiveState * www..activestate.com * aspn.activestate.com/ASPN/ * Red Hat * www.redhat.com * www.redhat.com/apps/support/ Proposals/Remedies split the current gentoo.org in diferent areas with clear different focus=20 * www.gentoo.org * here will be all the general stuff * what is Gentoo (whith an high altitude FAQ) * Advocacy Docs * Social Contract * Important News * Propaganda Stuff (screenshots, users rave comments, etc) * Press Reviews * Download Links * [insert here] other relevant topics * gdn.gentoo.org * Gentoo Developer Network (here will be loccated all the information relevant to developers - a cross of ASPN with MSDN * Developer Docs * Bugzilla (developer side)=20 * Developers Only Knowledge Base * Developers Only FAQ * ARCH specific Documentation=20 * specific developer forums/wikis (see zope.org)=20 * developer Mailing Lists * Hardware Compatibilty Guide * i18n * IRC logs from #gentoo-dev and #gentoo-qa * roadmaps, etc * [insert here] other relevant topics * gun.gentoo.org * Gentoo Users Network (here will be located all the information relevant to end-users - a cross of support.microsoft.com and www.zope.org) * End-User HowTos * End-User ARCH specific Documentation * End-User Oriented Knowledge Base * End-User Oriented FAQ collection (on the style of the LDP)=20 * the three above items should be fully searchable aand indexable) * End-User Foruns and Wikis=20 * End-User Focused Polls (usabilty, features, etc)=20 * End-User Mailing Lists * Hardware Compatibilty Guide (both by ARCH and by type of HW (sound, networking, etc)=20 * shared with GDN, should have relevant info extracted from bugzilla, forums, wikis, etc regarding Hardware issues * Bugzilla (end user side) * [insert here] other relevant topics * GDN could be mainly english based (as, like it or not, the English is the lingua franca in this world) * Both www.gentoo.org and GUN should/must support internationalization of content rigth from the start ... * GDN would only be accessible to registered Developers (with perhaps different access levels)=20 * GUN would be acessible read-only to all, but to take really advantage users should register ...=20 * [insert here] other relevant notes All the best to all,=20 Ant=F3nio Meireles -- --=20 Daniel Robbins Chief Architect, Gentoo Linux http://www.gentoo.org