From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=-0.6 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_MISSING, MAILING_LIST_MULTI,RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=unavailable autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from tiny.europeansoftware.com (195-57-122-17.uc.nombres.ttd.es [195.57.122.17]) by chiba.3jane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 047CDABDA1 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 04:48:59 -0500 (CDT) Received: from gentoo.europeansoftware.com (gentoo.europeansoftware.com [192.168.0.150]) by tiny.europeansoftware.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 0AEA1DC53 for ; Fri, 5 Jul 2002 11:46:37 +0200 (CEST) From: Vano Dolukhanian To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.0.7 Date: 05 Jul 2002 11:52:17 +0000 Message-Id: <1025869938.6300.25.camel@gentoo.europeansoftware.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: [gentoo-dev] Gentoo as a Production Server Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Gentoo Linux developer list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: 2e22e019-368b-48ec-a332-1d6aa0a4e4cf X-Archives-Hash: e1a8ae5bb801d3b37026fc1a121d50bb Hi all, I am using Gentoo as a samba, mail and intranet web server at a site. It is what usually is termed a "production server". Lately several incidents have occured to me while upgrading (OpenSSH and a few other stuff like Apache) using emerge -up system/world. I always take a lot of care while upgrading to make sure no backward compatibility issues arise because of the new software. But after being locked out of ssh after updating OpenSSH (because the latest version requires a /var/empty dir which the ebuild does NOT create and the service will NOT restart) and after seeing named (bind) fail to start after a restart of service (to check whether everything is ok) and finding that it seems it is missing some files (remerging it fixed it, but after a few hours where users were not being able to use the net nor emails), I have come to distrust emerge -up completely regarding a server environment. Most of these issues (there are more smaller ones) have occured to me in the past week. I am using Gentoo at home on several computers and this was my first attempt at using it at a site and unfortunately I am doubting if I have done a good decision. I am sending this email to ask fellow admins what guidelines (if any) do they adopt when using Gentoo on such an environment and to find out what other people's suggestions are. Also are there any plans to make Gentoo more solid and stable in a server enviornment? Having a server/secure/stable profile for example? All in all, I love Gentoo and am moving everything in my hands to this distro, but I would love to regain my trust in emerge -up when dealing with sensitive enviornments. Regards, Vano D.