Re: [gentoo-dev] LibPNG Problems :(

Re: [gentoo-dev] LibPNG Problems :(

[Eugenia Loli-Queru]

BTW, I _ really_ did not mean any disrespect to the Gentoo team on my 
previous emails.
BUT, just for the kicks, these are the packages I need to upgrade, according 
to the png script because Portage has somehow emerged that new libpng:

update-libs:
------------
dev-perl/gtk-perl
gnome-base/gnome-libs
media-gfx/gimp
media-libs/fnlib
media-libs/gdk-pixbuf
media-libs/imlib
net-print/cups
x11-libs/fltk
x11-wm/WindowMaker

update-bins:
----------------------
app-admin/kebuild
app-admin/kemerge
app-editors/quanta
app-games/lbreakout2
app-misc/krusader
app-office/abiword
app-office/koffice
dev-perl/gtk-perl
gnome-base/control-center
gnome-base/gnome-core
gnome-base/gnome-libs
kde-base/arts
kde-base/kdeaddons
kde-base/kdeadmin
kde-base/kdeartwork
kde-base/kdebase
kde-base/kdebase
kde-base/kdeedu
kde-base/kdegames
kde-base/kdegraphics
kde-base/kdelibs
kde-base/kdelibs
kde-base/kdemultimedia
kde-base/kdenetwork
kde-base/kdepim
kde-base/kdetoys
kde-base/kdeutils
media-gfx/eog
media-gfx/gimp
media-libs/fnlib
media-libs/gdk-pixbuf
media-libs/imlib
media-video/mplayer
media-video/xine-ui
media-video/xmovie
net-im/kopete
net-print/cups
net-www/opera
net-www/opera
x11-libs/fltk
x11-wm/WindowMaker
x11-wm/enlightenment
x11-wm/flwm
x11-wm/icewm

Sorry, this is almost one more day without really using my PC but leaving it 
there, compiling and compiling and compiling and me watching TV waiting for 
it. Boring, man. That's all. I did that twice in the last 2 weeks. I wanna 
use now the bloody thing, not fixing its installations.  :-(

I mean, sure, this is a source-based distro. But it goes too far.

Regards,
Eugenia



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Re: [gentoo-dev] LibPNG Problems :(

[Daniel Robbins]

On Wed, 2002-04-17 at 18:54, Eugenia Loli-Queru wrote:
> Sorry, this is almost one more day without really using my PC but leaving it 
> there, compiling and compiling and compiling and me watching TV waiting for 
> it. Boring, man. That's all. I did that twice in the last 2 weeks. I wanna 
> use now the bloody thing, not fixing its installations.  :-(
> 
> I mean, sure, this is a source-based distro. But it goes too far.

I'd recommend that people who don't want to have the latest and greatest
versions of everything (and everything that goes with it), don't use
--update with emerge.  That should help you avoid most problems.  We are
still devising a good distributed QA system, but that hasn't been added
to Portage yet :)

Best Regards,

-- 
Daniel Robbins                                  <drobbins@gentoo.org>
Chief Architect/President                       http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.

Re: [gentoo-dev] LibPNG Problems -- good example of Gentoo inherent stability

[Fuper]

On Wed, 2002-04-17 at 20:12, Daniel Robbins wrote:
> I'd recommend that people who don't want to have the latest and greatest
> versions of everything (and everything that goes with it), don't use
> --update with emerge.  That should help you avoid most problems.  We are
> still devising a good distributed QA system, but that hasn't been added
> to Portage yet :)

IMHO very little change is needed in Portage --- the libpng conflict was
not a show stopper as it might be in a binary-based Linux distrib. 
Thinking about my experience with the somewhat time-consuming but
relatively straight-forward re-compilation from sources that was
required to update my Gentoo system after encountering a conflict over a
basic library, and my experiences with horrible messes on Redhat and
Debian systems that simply left some applications (KDE!) unuseable for a
while (waiting for developers to create on their computers new sets of
binaries that ANY user can create for himself on a Gentoo system) I've
concluded that a source-based distribution like Gentoo is inherently
stable.  Sure, we stress it, but THAT is the goal --- to make a
distribution that acknowledges and takes advantage of the wonderful
chaos of Linux's multiple, independently developed streams of software.

Actually I'd be a heck of a lot more interested in SHRINKING and
SIMPLIFYING Portage and merging it with a boot loader such that the boot
loader could recover a functional operating system onto an empty hard
drive entirely off the net, entirely from sources.  Then shrink the boot
loader onto a BIOS chip, and then convert unsaved computers to Linux by
popping a new EEPROM onto each motherboard, .....

Re: [gentoo-dev] LibPNG Problems :(

[Spider]

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Sorry to say this...
.... you, and the script.... are wrong.

This is a -WELL KNOWN AND DOCUMENTED- limitation of the script.

All your cute kde programs link to kdelibs and qt...
kdelibs and qt link to libpng....

so, all your kde programs link to libpng through qt and kdelibs....

re-emerging qt and kdelibs will solve almost all kde programs.

continue with the same for gtk-perl.. it links gtk and gdk-pixbuf,
gdk-pixbuf links libpng ....

gimp links libpng for obvious reasons (unless you have USE="-png" )
gnome-libs ditto (gnome libs handles the menu and icons in png format)
fnlib imlib gdk-pixbuf and fltk are all wrapper-libraries for graphics.
very common libraries that use libpng to provide png support to other
programs so you won't have to update every program around when you want
to update the link to libpng... isn't that good of them?

that leaves : 
x11-wm/WindowMaker


Try it, emerge theese things and see for yourself.. how many of the
binaries will remain?

Yes, now I'm irritated that you didn't read my emails close enough, 
I mentioned this before.



//Spider

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On Thu, 18 Apr 2002 00:54:36 +0000
"Eugenia Loli-Queru" <eloli@hotmail.com> wrote:

> BTW, I _ really_ did not mean any disrespect to the Gentoo team on my 
> previous emails.
> BUT, just for the kicks, these are the packages I need to upgrade,
> according to the png script because Portage has somehow emerged that
> new libpng:
> 
> update-libs:
> ------------
> dev-perl/gtk-perl
> gnome-base/gnome-libs
> media-gfx/gimp
> media-libs/fnlib
> media-libs/gdk-pixbuf
> media-libs/imlib
> net-print/cups
> x11-libs/fltk
> x11-wm/WindowMaker
> 
> update-bins:
> ----------------------
> app-admin/kebuild
> app-admin/kemerge
> app-editors/quanta
> app-games/lbreakout2
> app-misc/krusader
> app-office/abiword
> app-office/koffice
> dev-perl/gtk-perl
> gnome-base/control-center
> gnome-base/gnome-core
> gnome-base/gnome-libs
> kde-base/arts
> kde-base/kdeaddons
> kde-base/kdeadmin
> kde-base/kdeartwork
> kde-base/kdebase
> kde-base/kdebase
> kde-base/kdeedu
> kde-base/kdegames
> kde-base/kdegraphics
> kde-base/kdelibs
> kde-base/kdelibs
> kde-base/kdemultimedia
> kde-base/kdenetwork
> kde-base/kdepim
> kde-base/kdetoys
> kde-base/kdeutils
> media-gfx/eog
> media-gfx/gimp
> media-libs/fnlib
> media-libs/gdk-pixbuf
> media-libs/imlib
> media-video/mplayer
> media-video/xine-ui
> media-video/xmovie
> net-im/kopete
> net-print/cups
> net-www/opera
> net-www/opera
> x11-libs/fltk
> x11-wm/WindowMaker
> x11-wm/enlightenment
> x11-wm/flwm
> x11-wm/icewm
> 
> Sorry, this is almost one more day without really using my PC but
> leaving it there, compiling and compiling and compiling and me
> watching TV waiting for it. Boring, man. That's all. I did that twice
> in the last 2 weeks. I wanna use now the bloody thing, not fixing its
> installations.  :-(
> 
> I mean, sure, this is a source-based distro. But it goes too far.
> 
> Regards,
> Eugenia
> 
> 
> 
> .
> 
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