[gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[John Dee]

I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you guys 
weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x series 
probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build engineer on the 
project).
I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really 
wouldn't take much to do.
The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know portage 
yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you want.

Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[George Shapovalov]

If you would like to see Netscape 6 in gentoo and are willing to spend some 
time on it, please do contribute by any means.
Now to the technical stuff.
You do not need to know many details about portage code. What is getting 
submitted is a set of build instructions wrapped in a bash script (and as 
such, the tarball itself will not help much).
Please see:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/gentoo-howto.html
for a description on how to create such an ebuild 
(bash script (quite often very basic) containing install instructions). You 
can also look at ebuilds for other packages.
The ebuild and any necessary supplementary files (patches, etc) are to be 
submitted to http://bugs.gentoo.org, this page contains an ebuild submission 
description:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/ebuild-submit.html.

If you still do not feel like creating an ebuild file (BTW you can always go 
to #gentoo channel at irc.openprojects.net to get some real-time ebuild 
creation assistance) you can instead submit build instructions and any url 
pointers to bugs.gentoo.org as a feature request ( but this will take more 
time to process for obvious reasons :)).

George


On Friday 12 April 2002 11:32, John Dee wrote:
> I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you guys
> weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x series
> probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build engineer on the
> project).
> I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
> Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really
> wouldn't take much to do.
> The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know portage
> yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
> I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you want.
>
> _______________________________________________
> gentoo-dev mailing list
> gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[John Dee]

oh fuck the gui installer.
There's ways around that.
To get everything working, just grab the gui installer, install 
normally, but *KILL* the install when it prompts you that the install is 
completed (the ok checkmark)
then change the symlink on plugins/libjavaplugin_oji.so.
Everything else should work perfectly fine.

Tod M. Neidt wrote:
> On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 13:32, John Dee wrote:
> 
>>I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you guys 
>>weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x series 
>>probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build engineer on the 
>>project).
>>I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
>>Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really 
>>wouldn't take much to do.
>>The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know portage 
>>yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
>>I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you want.
> 
> 
> That would be great!
> 
> One reason that netscape 6.x isn't in portage, is the difficulty of
> fighting the gui installer to integrate with portages automatic installs
> and package management.
> 
> Regards,
> 
> tod
> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[John Dee]

One more question I've got.
Would you guys be willing to replace netscape 4.x with netscape 6 as the 
default browser?
Since netscape 4.x isn't really being maintained anymore (I do builds 
once a week, blah bleh), and the 6.x line is nscp's main focus, would 
you guys be willing to make netscape6 the default netscape browser?

George Shapovalov wrote:
> If you would like to see Netscape 6 in gentoo and are willing to spend some 
> time on it, please do contribute by any means.
> Now to the technical stuff.
> You do not need to know many details about portage code. What is getting 
> submitted is a set of build instructions wrapped in a bash script (and as 
> such, the tarball itself will not help much).
> Please see:
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/gentoo-howto.html
> for a description on how to create such an ebuild 
> (bash script (quite often very basic) containing install instructions). You 
> can also look at ebuilds for other packages.
> The ebuild and any necessary supplementary files (patches, etc) are to be 
> submitted to http://bugs.gentoo.org, this page contains an ebuild submission 
> description:
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/ebuild-submit.html.
> 
> If you still do not feel like creating an ebuild file (BTW you can always go 
> to #gentoo channel at irc.openprojects.net to get some real-time ebuild 
> creation assistance) you can instead submit build instructions and any url 
> pointers to bugs.gentoo.org as a feature request ( but this will take more 
> time to process for obvious reasons :)).
> 
> George
> 
> 
> On Friday 12 April 2002 11:32, John Dee wrote:
> 
>>I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you guys
>>weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x series
>>probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build engineer on the
>>project).
>>I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
>>Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really
>>wouldn't take much to do.
>>The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know portage
>>yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
>>I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you want.
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>gentoo-dev mailing list
>>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
>>http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Tod M. Neidt]

On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 13:32, John Dee wrote:
> I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you guys 
> weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x series 
> probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build engineer on the 
> project).
> I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
> Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really 
> wouldn't take much to do.
> The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know portage 
> yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
> I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you want.

That would be great!

One reason that netscape 6.x isn't in portage, is the difficulty of
fighting the gui installer to integrate with portages automatic installs
and package management.

Regards,

tod

Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Jared H. Hudson]

I think mozilla 0.9.9 is what most people build these days on Gentoo.

-Jared H.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, John Dee wrote:

> One more question I've got.
> Would you guys be willing to replace netscape 4.x with netscape 6 as the 
> default browser?
> Since netscape 4.x isn't really being maintained anymore (I do builds 
> once a week, blah bleh), and the 6.x line is nscp's main focus, would 
> you guys be willing to make netscape6 the default netscape browser?
> 
> George Shapovalov wrote:
> > If you would like to see Netscape 6 in gentoo and are willing to spend some 
> > time on it, please do contribute by any means.
> > Now to the technical stuff.
> > You do not need to know many details about portage code. What is getting 
> > submitted is a set of build instructions wrapped in a bash script (and as 
> > such, the tarball itself will not help much).
> > Please see:
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/gentoo-howto.html
> > for a description on how to create such an ebuild 
> > (bash script (quite often very basic) containing install instructions). You 
> > can also look at ebuilds for other packages.
> > The ebuild and any necessary supplementary files (patches, etc) are to be 
> > submitted to http://bugs.gentoo.org, this page contains an ebuild submission 
> > description:
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/ebuild-submit.html.
> > 
> > If you still do not feel like creating an ebuild file (BTW you can always go 
> > to #gentoo channel at irc.openprojects.net to get some real-time ebuild 
> > creation assistance) you can instead submit build instructions and any url 
> > pointers to bugs.gentoo.org as a feature request ( but this will take more 
> > time to process for obvious reasons :)).
> > 
> > George
> > 
> > 
> > On Friday 12 April 2002 11:32, John Dee wrote:
> > 
> >>I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you guys
> >>weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x series
> >>probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build engineer on the
> >>project).
> >>I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
> >>Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really
> >>wouldn't take much to do.
> >>The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know portage
> >>yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
> >>I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you want.
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>gentoo-dev mailing list
> >>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> >>http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > gentoo-dev mailing list
> > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> > http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[John Dee]

okay, so what question did that answer?
mozilla != netscape


Jared H. Hudson wrote:
> I think mozilla 0.9.9 is what most people build these days on Gentoo.
> 
> -Jared H.
> 
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, John Dee wrote:
> 
> 
>>One more question I've got.
>>Would you guys be willing to replace netscape 4.x with netscape 6 as the 
>>default browser?
>>Since netscape 4.x isn't really being maintained anymore (I do builds 
>>once a week, blah bleh), and the 6.x line is nscp's main focus, would 
>>you guys be willing to make netscape6 the default netscape browser?
>>
>>George Shapovalov wrote:
>>
>>>If you would like to see Netscape 6 in gentoo and are willing to spend some 
>>>time on it, please do contribute by any means.
>>>Now to the technical stuff.
>>>You do not need to know many details about portage code. What is getting 
>>>submitted is a set of build instructions wrapped in a bash script (and as 
>>>such, the tarball itself will not help much).
>>>Please see:
>>>http://www.gentoo.org/doc/gentoo-howto.html
>>>for a description on how to create such an ebuild 
>>>(bash script (quite often very basic) containing install instructions). You 
>>>can also look at ebuilds for other packages.
>>>The ebuild and any necessary supplementary files (patches, etc) are to be 
>>>submitted to http://bugs.gentoo.org, this page contains an ebuild submission 
>>>description:
>>>http://www.gentoo.org/doc/ebuild-submit.html.
>>>
>>>If you still do not feel like creating an ebuild file (BTW you can always go 
>>>to #gentoo channel at irc.openprojects.net to get some real-time ebuild 
>>>creation assistance) you can instead submit build instructions and any url 
>>>pointers to bugs.gentoo.org as a feature request ( but this will take more 
>>>time to process for obvious reasons :)).
>>>
>>>George
>>>
>>>
>>>On Friday 12 April 2002 11:32, John Dee wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you guys
>>>>weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x series
>>>>probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build engineer on the
>>>>project).
>>>>I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
>>>>Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really
>>>>wouldn't take much to do.
>>>>The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know portage
>>>>yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
>>>>I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you want.
>>>>
>>>>_______________________________________________
>>>>gentoo-dev mailing list
>>>>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
>>>>http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
>>>
>>>
>>>_______________________________________________
>>>gentoo-dev mailing list
>>>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
>>>http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
>>
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>gentoo-dev mailing list
>>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
>>http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
>>
> 
> 

RE: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Sean Mitchell]

>>>you guys be willing to make netscape6 the default netscape browser?

> okay, so what question did that answer?
> mozilla != netscape

If you don't read carefully it looks like you are asking to make Netscape
the default browser period. 


Sean 

Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Jared H. Hudson]

True. My mistake. I do not know the answer and it's not for me to decided.
I suggest that you email jnelson@gentoo.org since he's the one who created 
the current netscape 4.79 ebuild, he'd be the one to make the decision 
most likely.

-Jared H.

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, John Dee wrote:

> okay, so what question did that answer?
> mozilla != netscape
> 
> 
> Jared H. Hudson wrote:
> > I think mozilla 0.9.9 is what most people build these days on Gentoo.
> > 
> > -Jared H.
> > 
> > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002, John Dee wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>One more question I've got.
> >>Would you guys be willing to replace netscape 4.x with netscape 6 as the 
> >>default browser?
> >>Since netscape 4.x isn't really being maintained anymore (I do builds 
> >>once a week, blah bleh), and the 6.x line is nscp's main focus, would 
> >>you guys be willing to make netscape6 the default netscape browser?
> >>
> >>George Shapovalov wrote:
> >>
> >>>If you would like to see Netscape 6 in gentoo and are willing to spend some 
> >>>time on it, please do contribute by any means.
> >>>Now to the technical stuff.
> >>>You do not need to know many details about portage code. What is getting 
> >>>submitted is a set of build instructions wrapped in a bash script (and as 
> >>>such, the tarball itself will not help much).
> >>>Please see:
> >>>http://www.gentoo.org/doc/gentoo-howto.html
> >>>for a description on how to create such an ebuild 
> >>>(bash script (quite often very basic) containing install instructions). You 
> >>>can also look at ebuilds for other packages.
> >>>The ebuild and any necessary supplementary files (patches, etc) are to be 
> >>>submitted to http://bugs.gentoo.org, this page contains an ebuild submission 
> >>>description:
> >>>http://www.gentoo.org/doc/ebuild-submit.html.
> >>>
> >>>If you still do not feel like creating an ebuild file (BTW you can always go 
> >>>to #gentoo channel at irc.openprojects.net to get some real-time ebuild 
> >>>creation assistance) you can instead submit build instructions and any url 
> >>>pointers to bugs.gentoo.org as a feature request ( but this will take more 
> >>>time to process for obvious reasons :)).
> >>>
> >>>George
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>On Friday 12 April 2002 11:32, John Dee wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you guys
> >>>>weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x series
> >>>>probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build engineer on the
> >>>>project).
> >>>>I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
> >>>>Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really
> >>>>wouldn't take much to do.
> >>>>The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know portage
> >>>>yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
> >>>>I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you want.
> >>>>
> >>>>_______________________________________________
> >>>>gentoo-dev mailing list
> >>>>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> >>>>http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>_______________________________________________
> >>>gentoo-dev mailing list
> >>>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> >>>http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> >>
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>gentoo-dev mailing list
> >>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> >>http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> >>
> > 
> > 
> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Avi Schwartz]

No, no, no.  Netscape 4.X is still very usefull for accessing web sites
which will not work properly with Netscape 6.X or Mozilla.  Some of the
banks still do not consider Netscape 6.X/Mozilla as safe enough and the
only way for me to do web banking is using Netscape 4.X.  Citibank is
one such example.

Avi

On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 14:25, John Dee wrote:
> One more question I've got.
> Would you guys be willing to replace netscape 4.x with netscape 6 as the 
> default browser?
> Since netscape 4.x isn't really being maintained anymore (I do builds 
> once a week, blah bleh), and the 6.x line is nscp's main focus, would 
> you guys be willing to make netscape6 the default netscape browser?
-- 
Avi Schwartz
avi@CFFtechnologies.com

Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[John Dee]

AH, I see.
no, I like mozilla (though the trunk builds lately have been below-par).
mozilla is a whole different beast. I *COULD* do that for you guys too, 
if you wanted.
the thing I want to essentially do is shitcan 4.x and get 6.x in there 
in it's place.


Sean Mitchell wrote:
>>>>you guys be willing to make netscape6 the default netscape browser?
>>>
> 
>>okay, so what question did that answer?
>>mozilla != netscape
> 
> 
> If you don't read carefully it looks like you are asking to make Netscape
> the default browser period. 
> 
> 
> Sean 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Jim Nutt]

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:34:28 -0700
antitux@netscape.com (John Dee) wrote:

> okay, so what question did that answer?
> mozilla != netscape

Only that most people don't install netscape at all. Mozilla is the default, not netscape. I know that I haven't installed netscape on a system in at least six months as mozilla has been more than adequate to replace it.

jim

Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Jim Nutt]

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:40:39 -0700
antitux@netscape.com (John Dee) wrote:


> mozilla is a whole different beast. I *COULD* do that for you guys
> too, if you wanted.
> the thing I want to essentially do is shitcan 4.x and get 6.x in there
> in it's place.

Alas, as Avi has pointed out in another message, that is currently practical as some banks and other sites are brain dead still and won't work with netscape 6 (or mozilla for that matter). So, 4.x still has to stick around for that reason.

jim

Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[John Dee]

I have no problems keeping it around, but renaming 4.x to either 
"netscape-communicator" or "netscape-navigator" for the actual 
executable binaries.

You follow?

By no means do I want to get rid of netscape 4.x (though I would like to 
see the project die a horrible death, the code is a mess, and it's older 
than hell.). I know it's one of the standards out there, but even 
netscape's customers are being pushed towards 6.x.

Avi Schwartz wrote:
> No, no, no.  Netscape 4.X is still very usefull for accessing web sites
> which will not work properly with Netscape 6.X or Mozilla.  Some of the
> banks still do not consider Netscape 6.X/Mozilla as safe enough and the
> only way for me to do web banking is using Netscape 4.X.  Citibank is
> one such example.
> 
> Avi
> 
> On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 14:25, John Dee wrote:
> 
>>One more question I've got.
>>Would you guys be willing to replace netscape 4.x with netscape 6 as the 
>>default browser?
>>Since netscape 4.x isn't really being maintained anymore (I do builds 
>>once a week, blah bleh), and the 6.x line is nscp's main focus, would 
>>you guys be willing to make netscape6 the default netscape browser?
> 

Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[George Shapovalov]

It will become default (by the way ebuilds are processed) if you put new 
netscape-6 ebuild into the same directory (check net-www, there are quite a 
few netscape-related dirs there).
However IMHO it would be unwise to block netscape-4 as many people still use 
it (and some may be hesitant to go with netscape-6).
If there are no special reasons, [ebuilds for] different versions of package 
can coexist within portage tree. The one having highest version and revision 
number is chosen if user does not select version specifically. Sometimes 
lower versions are installed, but this is the case when that lower version of 
package is listed as dependency for something.

George


On Friday 12 April 2002 12:25, John Dee wrote:
> One more question I've got.
> Would you guys be willing to replace netscape 4.x with netscape 6 as the
> default browser?
> Since netscape 4.x isn't really being maintained anymore (I do builds
> once a week, blah bleh), and the 6.x line is nscp's main focus, would
> you guys be willing to make netscape6 the default netscape browser?
>
> George Shapovalov wrote:
> > If you would like to see Netscape 6 in gentoo and are willing to spend
> > some time on it, please do contribute by any means.
> > Now to the technical stuff.
> > You do not need to know many details about portage code. What is getting
> > submitted is a set of build instructions wrapped in a bash script (and as
> > such, the tarball itself will not help much).
> > Please see:
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/gentoo-howto.html
> > for a description on how to create such an ebuild
> > (bash script (quite often very basic) containing install instructions).
> > You can also look at ebuilds for other packages.
> > The ebuild and any necessary supplementary files (patches, etc) are to be
> > submitted to http://bugs.gentoo.org, this page contains an ebuild
> > submission description:
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/ebuild-submit.html.
> >
> > If you still do not feel like creating an ebuild file (BTW you can always
> > go to #gentoo channel at irc.openprojects.net to get some real-time
> > ebuild creation assistance) you can instead submit build instructions and
> > any url pointers to bugs.gentoo.org as a feature request ( but this will
> > take more time to process for obvious reasons :)).
> >
> > George
> >
> > On Friday 12 April 2002 11:32, John Dee wrote:
> >>I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you guys
> >>weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x series
> >>probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build engineer on the
> >>project).
> >>I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
> >>Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really
> >>wouldn't take much to do.
> >>The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know portage
> >>yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
> >>I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you want.
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>gentoo-dev mailing list
> >>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> >>http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> >
> > _______________________________________________
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Thilo Bangert]

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:42:21 -0700
Jim Nutt <jim@nuttz.org> wrote:

> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:34:28 -0700
> antitux@netscape.com (John Dee) wrote:
> 
> > okay, so what question did that answer?
> > mozilla != netscape
> 
> Only that most people don't install netscape at all. Mozilla is the
> default, not netscape. I know that I haven't installed netscape on a
> system in at least six months as mozilla has been more than adequate
> to replace it.

huh - am i awaking from a dream?
i thought this is what portage is all about - there is no default.

gees, all users even have to decide what system logger they'll use -
i'm pretty confident they can figure out this one too

now, _my_ default browser would be konqueror...

i have nothing against a ns6 ebuild (why would i) - but talking 
about "default" in this contenxt seems superflous...

please correct me if i am mistaken

> 
> jim

regards
Thilo

Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[George Shapovalov]

Sorry, did not notice this before I posted my answer to John.
This may be a problem (see the reasons in my reply).
I agree that keeping netscape-4 as a default one is probably better for some 
time at least. Therefore a reasonable option is to create new dir (like 
netscape-6) under net-www to keep new netscape version.

George


On Friday 12 April 2002 12:40, Avi Schwartz wrote:
> No, no, no.  Netscape 4.X is still very usefull for accessing web sites
> which will not work properly with Netscape 6.X or Mozilla.  Some of the
> banks still do not consider Netscape 6.X/Mozilla as safe enough and the
> only way for me to do web banking is using Netscape 4.X.  Citibank is
> one such example.
>
> Avi
>
> On Fri, 2002-04-12 at 14:25, John Dee wrote:
> > One more question I've got.
> > Would you guys be willing to replace netscape 4.x with netscape 6 as the
> > default browser?
> > Since netscape 4.x isn't really being maintained anymore (I do builds
> > once a week, blah bleh), and the 6.x line is nscp's main focus, would
> > you guys be willing to make netscape6 the default netscape browser?

Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Jim Nutt]

On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 22:10:14 +0200
Thilo Bangert <thilo.bangert@gmx.net> wrote:

> huh - am i awaking from a dream?
> i thought this is what portage is all about - there is no default.
> 
> gees, all users even have to decide what system logger they'll use -
> i'm pretty confident they can figure out this one too

Sorry to confuse you. Actually, you're right in that Konqueror is just as likely to be installed as Mozilla. Anyway, this is moving way off topic...

jim

Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Terje Kvernes]

Jim Nutt <jim@nuttz.org> writes:

> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:40:39 -0700
> antitux@netscape.com (John Dee) wrote:
> 
> > mozilla is a whole different beast. I *COULD* do that for you guys
> > too, if you wanted.  the thing I want to essentially do is shitcan
> > 4.x and get 6.x in there in it's place.
> 
> Alas, as Avi has pointed out in another message, that is currently
> practical as some banks and other sites are brain dead still and
> won't work with netscape 6 (or mozilla for that matter). So, 4.x
> still has to stick around for that reason.

  really?  whow.  that's impressive.  change banks.  (yes, I know
  people who have done this because said bank wasn't usable under
  *nix)

  anyhow, I think Dees point here is simple "emerge netscape" would
  get netscape6, and you'd have to do "emerge <=netscape5" or so to
  get netscape-pre-6.  and honestly, I think this is a good idea.

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[John Dee]

WHOA!!
okay, we're going off on a tangent here.
I don't want to make netscape 6 the DEFAULT BROWSER,
I want to make netscpae 6.2.2 the DEFAULT BROWSER FOR NETSCAPE PRODUCTS.
hence, if you did `emerge netscape`, or `emerge netscape-browser` it'd 
install netscape 6.2.2.

I've talked to jnelson on irc.
We pretty much came to the same conclusion that it's not that bad of an 
idea, and extremely possible.
What would happen, is that netscape communicator 4.x would have the 
binary renamed netscape-communicator
while netscape navigator 4.x would be renamed netscape-navigator
then when you typed `netscape`, the browser that came up would be 
netscape 6.2.2.
The only problem is the installer. It's evil. There's really no way to 
work around it though.
about the only thing you can pull out and install manually (non-gui) is 
the JRE.
I by no means want to replace konqueror, or mozilla, or galeon, or light 
(my personal favorite browser).
is this clearer?

Quite frankly, I don't care what browser you use. I wish there were a 
hundred browsers out there, and they were all standards compliant. 
Unfortunately, in the real world, that's not gonna happen.


Thilo Bangert wrote:

(*SNIP*)
> huh - am i awaking from a dream?
> i thought this is what portage is all about - there is no default.
> 
> gees, all users even have to decide what system logger they'll use -
> i'm pretty confident they can figure out this one too
> 
> now, _my_ default browser would be konqueror...
> 
> i have nothing against a ns6 ebuild (why would i) - but talking 
> about "default" in this contenxt seems superflous...
> 
> please correct me if i am mistaken
> 
> 
>>jim
> 
> 
> regards
> Thilo
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Spider]

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the main reason I see against it is that for all that I see there's no
way around the cute graphical installer. And, because of that its
unlikely that you'll ever get it to work without user intervention.

one could of course make it download the individual files, modify the
ini' and instruct the user to run the installer themselves.


//Spider


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On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:32:59 -0700
antitux@netscape.com (John Dee) wrote:

> I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you
> guys weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x
> series probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build
> engineer on the project).
> I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
> Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really 
> wouldn't take much to do.
> The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know
> portage yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
> I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you
> want.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Spider]

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On 12 Apr 2002 22:19:15 +0200
Terje Kvernes <terjekv@math.uio.no> wrote:

> 
> 
>   really?  whow.  that's impressive.  change banks.  (yes, I know
>   people who have done this because said bank wasn't usable under
>   *nix)
Impressive. great thinking.
want me to switch os since the other banks doesn't support netscape at
all?*bah*
I really can't abide this sort of thinking. In my right, I have nothing
against seing the new netscape-6 branch into portage, once you've solved
the technical issues of the cute installer. (How will you get it to
install not into / ? ) But the recommendation to change banks because of
your browsers incapabilities and your own futile workings on that behalf
is... *sigh*

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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[John Dee]

read the whole thread.

Spider wrote:
> the main reason I see against it is that for all that I see there's no
> way around the cute graphical installer. And, because of that its
> unlikely that you'll ever get it to work without user intervention.
> 
> one could of course make it download the individual files, modify the
> ini' and instruct the user to run the installer themselves.
> 
> 
> //Spider
> 
> 
> begin  quote
> On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:32:59 -0700
> antitux@netscape.com (John Dee) wrote:
> 
> 
>>I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you
>>guys weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x
>>series probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build
>>engineer on the project).
>>I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
>>Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really 
>>wouldn't take much to do.
>>The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know
>>portage yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
>>I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you
>>want.
>>
>>_______________________________________________
>>gentoo-dev mailing list
>>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
>>http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Spider]

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to quote yourself:


The only problem is the installer. It's evil. There's really no way to 
work around it though.
about the only thing you can pull out and install manually (non-gui) is 
the JRE.

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//Spider


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On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 15:25:37 -0700
antitux@netscape.com (John Dee) wrote:

> read the whole thread.
> 
> Spider wrote:
> > the main reason I see against it is that for all that I see there's
> > no way around the cute graphical installer. And, because of that its
> > unlikely that you'll ever get it to work without user intervention.
> > 
> > one could of course make it download the individual files, modify
> > the ini' and instruct the user to run the installer themselves.
> > 
> > 
> > //Spider
> > 
> > 
> > begin  quote
> > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 11:32:59 -0700
> > antitux@netscape.com (John Dee) wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >>I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you
> >>guys weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x
> >>series probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build
> >>engineer on the project).
> >>I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
> >>Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really 
> >>wouldn't take much to do.
> >>The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know
> >>portage yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
> >>I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you
> >>want.
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
> >>gentoo-dev mailing list
> >>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> >>http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> > 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Bill Kenworthy]

Keep the NS 4 series as lowest common denominator.  There are banks here
in Oz that test for NS 4 series in their code.  Unfortuately, net
banking is perhaps an "essential" service for many people, so keep NS4
for a year or so yet.

Is it possible for someone to enter "emerge netscape" and a prompt come
back "do you want 4, 6 or both?"

BillK

On Sat, 2002-04-13 at 04:19, Terje Kvernes wrote:
> Jim Nutt <jim@nuttz.org> writes:
> 
> > On Fri, 12 Apr 2002 12:40:39 -0700
> > antitux@netscape.com (John Dee) wrote:
> > 
> > > mozilla is a whole different beast. I *COULD* do that for you guys
> > > too, if you wanted.  the thing I want to essentially do is shitcan
> > > 4.x and get 6.x in there in it's place.
> > 
> > Alas, as Avi has pointed out in another message, that is currently
> > practical as some banks and other sites are brain dead still and
> > won't work with netscape 6 (or mozilla for that matter). So, 4.x
> > still has to stick around for that reason.
> 
>   really?  whow.  that's impressive.  change banks.  (yes, I know
>   people who have done this because said bank wasn't usable under
>   *nix)
> 
>   anyhow, I think Dees point here is simple "emerge netscape" would
>   get netscape6, and you'd have to do "emerge <=netscape5" or so to
>   get netscape-pre-6.  and honestly, I think this is a good idea.
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] Netscape Packages

[Edward Muller]

On Friday 12 April 2002 03:25 pm, John Dee wrote:
> One more question I've got.
> Would you guys be willing to replace netscape 4.x with netscape 6 as the
> default browser?
> Since netscape 4.x isn't really being maintained anymore (I do builds
> once a week, blah bleh), and the 6.x line is nscp's main focus, would
> you guys be willing to make netscape6 the default netscape browser?

Why do you think netscape 4.x is the default browser? Gentoo alows the user to 
pick which browser to install. I for instance emerged Mozilla and KDE 3.0 
(hence I get Konq). I don't even think I have netscape 4.x installed.


I say you create the ebuild, call it net-www/netscape6/netscape6-6.2.2.ebuild 
and submit it. This way users can choose the browser they want. I'd also make 
it so that they can co-exist on the system as well.

>
> George Shapovalov wrote:
> > If you would like to see Netscape 6 in gentoo and are willing to spend
> > some time on it, please do contribute by any means.
> > Now to the technical stuff.
> > You do not need to know many details about portage code. What is getting
> > submitted is a set of build instructions wrapped in a bash script (and as
> > such, the tarball itself will not help much).
> > Please see:
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/gentoo-howto.html
> > for a description on how to create such an ebuild
> > (bash script (quite often very basic) containing install instructions).
> > You can also look at ebuilds for other packages.
> > The ebuild and any necessary supplementary files (patches, etc) are to be
> > submitted to http://bugs.gentoo.org, this page contains an ebuild
> > submission description:
> > http://www.gentoo.org/doc/ebuild-submit.html.
> >
> > If you still do not feel like creating an ebuild file (BTW you can always
> > go to #gentoo channel at irc.openprojects.net to get some real-time
> > ebuild creation assistance) you can instead submit build instructions and
> > any url pointers to bugs.gentoo.org as a feature request ( but this will
> > take more time to process for obvious reasons :)).
> >
> > George
> >
> > On Friday 12 April 2002 11:32, John Dee wrote:
> >>I was looking at your netscape packages, and was wondering why you guys
> >>weren't using the 6.x series. The reason I ask, is that the 4.x series
> >>probably won't have another release (I'm the *NIX build engineer on the
> >>project).
> >>I'm also one of the build engineers on the 6.x project.
> >>Also, if needed, I could make a 6.x package for you guys. It really
> >>wouldn't take much to do.
> >>The only thing that might be a problem is the fact I don't know portage
> >>yet (I've been using gentoo a total of about 3 days).
> >>I *COULD* supply you guys with a tarball, and instructions, if you want.
> >>
> >>_______________________________________________
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