[gentoo-dev] FAQ

[gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Djamil ESSAISSI]

Do we have a searchble ( <-- shit i cant spell that word right ! ) database or other containing all the emails of this list ?
otherwise i will for sure re-ask ; what was the trick to make gdm/xdm .., login work ?!

thnx .
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Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Einar Karttunen]

On Mon, Sep 10, 2001 at 04:49:49PM +0200, Djamil ESSAISSI wrote:
> 
> Do we have a searchble ( <-- shit i cant spell that word right ! ) database or other containing all the emails of this list ?
> otherwise i will for sure re-ask ; what was the trick to make gdm/xdm .., login work ?!
> 
Currently there is AFAIK no searchable archive, but you can view the list archive at http://cvs.gentoo.org/pipermail/gentoo-dev/.
If you download the raw archive you could use grep...

I think it isn't too hard to make mailman archives searchable so this could be implemented in future.

- Einar Karttunen

[gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Glen Redden]

I have used Gentoo for the last three months.
I have noticed that the user list has been growing exponentially in the
number of posts.
I am finding it more and more difficult to find the time to sift through the
list.
I expect many others out there who could provide the needed assistance
cannot.
The main thing that I have noticed about gentoo web site is the lack of a
user level faq.
I would like to create one.
I have been studying the guide-xml and it makes doc writing much easier.
I have also written a perl script that scours the user-list archive and
creates a XML faq page.
Of course some hand editing is required.

To summarize:
I would like to create/maintain a user-level faq page for gentoo linux.
The page will reside on gentoo's site.
Content of the page will focus on the gentoo distribution.
Off site links to documentation will also be provided where the question is
more general to linux.

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Geert Bevin]

I'm sorry, but this seems to be a user level faq right here :
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/faq.html

On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 01:48, Glen Redden wrote:
> I have used Gentoo for the last three months.
> I have noticed that the user list has been growing exponentially in the
> number of posts.
> I am finding it more and more difficult to find the time to sift through the
> list.
> I expect many others out there who could provide the needed assistance
> cannot.
> The main thing that I have noticed about gentoo web site is the lack of a
> user level faq.
> I would like to create one.
> I have been studying the guide-xml and it makes doc writing much easier.
> I have also written a perl script that scours the user-list archive and
> creates a XML faq page.
> Of course some hand editing is required.
> 
> To summarize:
> I would like to create/maintain a user-level faq page for gentoo linux.
> The page will reside on gentoo's site.
> Content of the page will focus on the gentoo distribution.
> Off site links to documentation will also be provided where the question is
> more general to linux.
> 
> 
> 
> _______________________________________________
> gentoo-dev mailing list
> gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> 
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RE: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Sean Mitchell]

Well, to be fair that FAQ is getting a little threadbare.

Both lists seem to be getting a lot of repeated questions which aren't
addressed in the current FAQ. If someone wants to spend time contributing
then maybe that would cut down the volume on the lists.

Sean


-----Original Message-----
From: Geert Bevin [mailto:gbevin@uwyn.com]
Sent: Friday, April 05, 2002 1:42 AM
To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ


I'm sorry, but this seems to be a user level faq right here :
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/faq.html

On Fri, 2002-04-05 at 01:48, Glen Redden wrote:
> I have used Gentoo for the last three months.
> I have noticed that the user list has been growing exponentially in the
> number of posts.
> I am finding it more and more difficult to find the time to sift through
the
> list.
> I expect many others out there who could provide the needed assistance
> cannot.
> The main thing that I have noticed about gentoo web site is the lack of a
> user level faq.
> I would like to create one.
> I have been studying the guide-xml and it makes doc writing much easier.
> I have also written a perl script that scours the user-list archive and
> creates a XML faq page.
> Of course some hand editing is required.
> 
> To summarize:
> I would like to create/maintain a user-level faq page for gentoo linux.
> The page will reside on gentoo's site.
> Content of the page will focus on the gentoo distribution.
> Off site links to documentation will also be provided where the question
is
> more general to linux.

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Bjarke Sørensen]

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 01:15:49PM -0500, Sean Mitchell wrote:
> Well, to be fair that FAQ is getting a little threadbare.

> Both lists seem to be getting a lot of repeated questions which aren't
> addressed in the current FAQ. If someone wants to spend time contributing
> then maybe that would cut down the volume on the lists.

Indeed.

How do 'we' contribute to the FAQ, I know I could send the XML to
bugzilla, but I everybody sends a new XML there will be a *lot* of
work for he who chooses to update the 'real' FAQ.

Or just maybe certain persons have CVS access to that file and maybe
one of theese would accept updates. That's better than he has to
extract all updated from the various lists, no?

Just a thought.

Regards,
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[gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Glen Redden]

I realize that there is all ready a FAQ in place.
The questions that it answers it answers very well; however, adding to it
would
certainly reduce the load on the gentoo-user list.

As Sean says it is a bit threadbare.

Even though gentoo is aimed at developers/sys-admins it is turning out to be
a "learning distribution" .  This is why I started using gentoo.  I have
used linux
for several years but I have never fully understood the inner workings.
Gentoo
has helped me get on that road.

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[George Shapovalov]

Hi

Good to see people wishing to spend their time on docs :-), no really!
Originally I was thinking in terms of individual submissions to bugzilla
listing that or other question which should be included in FAQ.
However since there seems to be quite a few people interested in getting
this done I suppose some coordination can help.

Hereby I announce a call for FAQ submissions.
Shortly I will submit a bug to bugs.gentoo.org and announce its number
here. Bugzilla is a nice place to collect independent submissions IMHO, as
it provides a minimalistic forum-like functionality. Please submit your
Qs&As there. Somebogy, who will volonteer will combine the
question into single <xml> file and will [try to] keep it up to date with
new submissions (quite likely that would be me,
unless somebody has an itch for editorial work :-). I willl wait few days and 
then assume this role if there are no volonteers). Regular builds of this 
file (2-3 day period in the beginning makes sense) will get attached to the 
same bug for an easy incorporation into existing documents.

George


On Friday 05 April 2002 10:27, you wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 01:15:49PM -0500, Sean Mitchell wrote:
> > Well, to be fair that FAQ is getting a little threadbare.
> >
> > Both lists seem to be getting a lot of repeated questions which aren't
> > addressed in the current FAQ. If someone wants to spend time contributing
> > then maybe that would cut down the volume on the lists.
>
> Indeed.
>
> How do 'we' contribute to the FAQ, I know I could send the XML to
> bugzilla, but I everybody sends a new XML there will be a *lot* of
> work for he who chooses to update the 'real' FAQ.
>
> Or just maybe certain persons have CVS access to that file and maybe
> one of theese would accept updates. That's better than he has to
> extract all updated from the various lists, no?
>
> Just a thought.
>
> Regards,

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Dan Armak]

On Saturday 06 April 2002 10:27, George Shapovalov wrote:
> Thanks!
>
> Please post what questions you think should be included (preferably with
> answers :)) to this thread. I'll put them in faq.xml and commit it. You can
> use XML tags described here:
> http://www.gentoo.org/doc/xml-guide.html.
> BTW, I just added a section on how to download sources elsewhere (on
> broadband) and use them on system with slow connection. It'l appear as soon
> as the pages are regenerated.
>
Hey George,

This one gets asked alot, definitely should be in the FAQ.

Q: make -f Makefile.cvs on a KDE app produces "invalid unused variable" errors
A: Export WANT_AUTOMAKE_1_4=1 for all KDE projects before running make -f 
Makefile.cvs. Also, for KDE2 apps export WANT_AUTOCONF_2_1=1, and for KDE3 
apps export WANT_AUTOCONF_2_5=1.

-- 
Dan Armak
Gentoo Linux developer (KDE)
Matan, Israel

[gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Glen Redden]

George you have asked for a volunteer for the editing of the XML for the
faq.

I will volunteer for that if you want me to.

Glen

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[George Shapovalov]

Thanks!

Please post what questions you think should be included (preferably with 
answers :)) to this thread. I'll put them in faq.xml and commit it. You can 
use XML tags described here:
http://www.gentoo.org/doc/xml-guide.html.
BTW, I just added a section on how to download sources elsewhere (on 
broadband) and use them on system with slow connection. It'l appear as soon 
as the pages are regenerated.

George


On Friday 05 April 2002 20:49, you wrote:
> George you have asked for a volunteer for the editing of the XML for the
> faq.
>
> I will volunteer for that if you want me to.
>
> Glen
>
> _______________________________________________
> gentoo-dev mailing list
> gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Bjarke Sørensen]

On Fri, Apr 05, 2002 at 08:49:16PM -0800, Glen Redden wrote:
> George you have asked for a volunteer for the editing of the XML for the
> faq.
> I will volunteer for that if you want me to.

I would've too, but instead I'll maintain the danish version on
gentoo.dk (when the site is up).
I would still like to help though.

Regards,
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Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Erik Grinaker]

On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 09:27, George Shapovalov wrote:

> Please post what questions you think should be included (preferably with 
> answers :)) to this thread. I'll put them in faq.xml and commit it. You can 

Q: .tar.gz sources for installed software is piling up in
/usr/portage/distfiles/ using valuable harddisk-space. Is it safe to
delete these files?

A: Yes, you can safely delete these files. But if you are on a slow
connection, such as a modem, you might want to keep the archives if
possible; often several ebuilds will be released for the same version of
a specific piece of software  - if you have deleted the archive and you
upgrade the software it will have to be downloaded from the internet
again.


Corrections/suggestions regarding grammar and language (and pretty much
everything else too) is always welcome.


-- 

Erik Grinaker
Freelance UNIX/Linux systems consultant

"Perfection is acheived not when there is nothing more to add, but
rather when there is nothing more to take away"
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Erik Grinaker]

On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 09:27, George Shapovalov wrote:

> Please post what questions you think should be included (preferably with 
> answers :)) to this thread. I'll put them in faq.xml and commit it. You can 

Sorry, forgot the xml in my previous mail. Anyways, here's a new q&a,
this time with xml.

<section>
    <title>
        I have installed openssh on my box, but can only log in as
        root - my normal user accounts doesn't work.
    </title>

    <body>
        <p>
            This is most probably because your user account doesn't have
            a valid shell specified. Check for your user entry in 
            <path>/etc/passwd</path> and see if it ends in /bin/bash 
            (or any other shell). If it doesn't, you must set a shell
            for the user. This is done using the usermod command, like
            this ;
        </p>

        <pre># <i>usermod -s /bin/bash myuser</i></pre>
    </body>
</section>

-- 

Erik Grinaker
Freelance UNIX/Linux systems consultant

"Perfection is acheived not when there is nothing more to add, but
rather when there is nothing more to take away"
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[George Shapovalov]

Thanks Dan and Erik! I commited these entries, should be up 
with a new site regneration.

George

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Erik Grinaker]

On Sat, 2002-04-06 at 09:27, George Shapovalov wrote:

> Please post what questions you think should be included (preferably with 
> answers :)) to this thread. I'll put them in faq.xml and commit it. You can 

(i have ripped out my speaker, so i can't verify this - but it really,
really *should* work :))

you can remove the whole no-beep-on-boot section if you feel it is
better without it

<section>
    <title>
        My speaker beeps like crazy while compiling Mozilla. How do I
        disable console beeps?
    </title>

    <body>
        <p>
            Console beeps can be turned off using setterm, like this ;
        </p>

        <pre># <i>setterm -blength 0</i></pre>

        <p>
            If you would like to turn off the console beeps on boot
            you need to put this command in  
            <path>/etc/conf.d/local.start</path>. However, this only
            disables beeps for the current terminal. To disable
            beeps for other terminals, pipe the command output to the 
            target terminal, like this ;
        </p>

        <pre># <i>setterm -blength 0 >/dev/vc/1</i></pre>

        <p>
            You need to replace /dev/vc/1 with the terminal
            you would like to disable console beeps for.
        </p>
    </body>
</section>


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Freelance UNIX/Linux systems consultant

"Perfection is acheived not when there is nothing more to add, but
rather when there is nothing more to take away"
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Spider]

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Quick note to verify that - yes -  it does work.


> (i have ripped out my speaker, so i can't verify this - but it really,
> really *should* work :))
> 
> you can remove the whole no-beep-on-boot section if you feel it is
> better without it
> 

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Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Thilo Bangert]

well - this has come up pretty often lately....

(i did not read the xml-howto, so it's full of "bugs")

please do rephrase...

<section>
    <title>
             I can't use the gentoo boot cd - is there any other way...
    </title>

    <body>
        <p>
             you can install gentoo pretty much from any running linux
              also, you can use Toms RootBoot disk  http://www.toms.net/
        </p>

    </body>
</section>

uha - this was probably to quick...

-- 
regards
Thilo

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Erik Grinaker]

On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 21:17, Thilo Bangert wrote:

> well - this has come up pretty often lately....
> 
>              I can't use the gentoo boot cd - is there any other way...

Hmmm... I've just experienced the joys of completely reinstalling a
server while it was actually running. That is, I installed gentoo on it
while I had the RedHat installation running - and just replaced the
services from the RedHat system with those from the Gentoo chroot one by
one until everything ran from the Gentoo installation. I then did a
quick reboot and had a fully functional Gentoo replacement system
running. Downtime was two minutes.

I think that things like these are worth bringing to people's attention.
I can (probably - if I find a bit of extra time) start writing a guide
on alternate installation methods if you think it's a good idea.

I can also contribute with maybe a bootdisk/netinstall and even a more
automated installation process for people not really knowing what they
are doing - if there is any interest for it


-- 

Erik Grinaker
Freelance UNIX/Linux systems consultant

"Perfection is acheived not when there is nothing more to add, but
rather when there is nothing more to take away"
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Thilo Bangert]

On 08 Apr 2002 21:39:20 +0200
Erik Grinaker <erikg@wired-networks.net> wrote:

> On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 21:17, Thilo Bangert wrote:
> 
> > well - this has come up pretty often lately....
> > 
> >              I can't use the gentoo boot cd - is there any other
> >              way...
> 
> Hmmm... I've just experienced the joys of completely reinstalling a
> server while it was actually running. That is, I installed gentoo on
> it while I had the RedHat installation running - and just replaced
> the services from the RedHat system with those from the Gentoo
> chroot one by one until everything ran from the Gentoo installation.
> I then did a quick reboot and had a fully functional Gentoo
> replacement system running. Downtime was two minutes.
> 

great - i plan on doing this myself.
good to hear somebody already accomplished this...
(amazing downtime!)


> I can also contribute with maybe a bootdisk/netinstall and even a
> more automated installation process for people not really knowing
> what they are doing - if there is any interest for it

i've said this before: i wouldn't want to make it too easy for 
people - thats what made gentoo really fun

yes, a steep learning curve will scare some people away, but it will
 make tech support much more easy (in the long)
(perhaps this is all wrong, because then people just start
 doing new stuff...)

also, gentoo is constantly under (more or less) heavy development
(getting better every day). brave newbies have no problem dealing
with that, but they can handle heavy documentation as well...

i don't want to kill your attempt on doing something good - i just
 personally feel we should not lower the high standards (in terms
 of dificulty or "heaviness") of the gentoo documentation

a dedicated gentoo floppy bootdisc really sounds like a good idea

just my 2 cents

regards
Thilo

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Michael Lang]

I wrote just such a install guide for installing from another 
distro...still waiting on it to go "live", but you can check it out at: 
http://www.gibberishcode.net/gentoo-web/xsl/build.html and see how much it 
parallels with what you did...it sounds like you did a few extra steps I 
didn't know about and thus didn't document.

Michael
At 09:39 PM 4/8/2002 +0200, you wrote:
>On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 21:17, Thilo Bangert wrote:
>
> > well - this has come up pretty often lately....
> >
> >              I can't use the gentoo boot cd - is there any other way...
>
>Hmmm... I've just experienced the joys of completely reinstalling a
>server while it was actually running. That is, I installed gentoo on it
>while I had the RedHat installation running - and just replaced the
>services from the RedHat system with those from the Gentoo chroot one by
>one until everything ran from the Gentoo installation. I then did a
>quick reboot and had a fully functional Gentoo replacement system
>running. Downtime was two minutes.
>
>I think that things like these are worth bringing to people's attention.
>I can (probably - if I find a bit of extra time) start writing a guide
>on alternate installation methods if you think it's a good idea.
>
>I can also contribute with maybe a bootdisk/netinstall and even a more
>automated installation process for people not really knowing what they
>are doing - if there is any interest for it
>
>
>--
>
>Erik Grinaker
>Freelance UNIX/Linux systems consultant
>
>"Perfection is acheived not when there is nothing more to add, but
>rather when there is nothing more to take away"
>- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry
>
>
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>gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
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Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Erik Grinaker]

On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 21:59, Thilo Bangert wrote:

> > Hmmm... I've just experienced the joys of completely reinstalling a
> > server while it was actually running. That is, I installed gentoo on
> > it while I had the RedHat installation running - and just replaced
> > the services from the RedHat system with those from the Gentoo
> > chroot one by one until everything ran from the Gentoo installation.
> > I then did a quick reboot and had a fully functional Gentoo
> > replacement system running. Downtime was two minutes.
> > 
> 
> great - i plan on doing this myself.
> good to hear somebody already accomplished this...
> (amazing downtime!)

For a complete system reinstallation and reconfiguration including data
transfers i would say 2 minutes is rather nice, yeah :D try doing that
with redhat, debian or whatever (no flames, plz)


> > I can also contribute with maybe a bootdisk/netinstall and even a
> > more automated installation process for people not really knowing
> > what they are doing - if there is any interest for it
> 
> i've said this before: i wouldn't want to make it too easy for 
> people - thats what made gentoo really fun

True. However, I think the installation process is unneccessarily
complex, because you set up the gentoo environment manually, but all the
boot-scripts etc which really teach you the inner workings of linux are
automatically installed. Sure, newbies won't be afraid of recompiling
their kernel etc, but it's not a "complete" learning experience.

But I do know that the feeling most newbies have after installing it
will most certainly motivate them to play around some more with the
linux system (which is what you *should* do with linux; play around),
and this is definitely a good thing. I know I was pretty damn proud
after doing my first lfs install.

Anyways, you've probably had discussions on this before, so I'll just
leave it to the dev's.

> yes, a steep learning curve will scare some people away, but it will
>  make tech support much more easy (in the long)
> (perhaps this is all wrong, because then people just start
>  doing new stuff...)

hehe, well, there's really nothing stopping me, or anyone else, from
making a GentooEasyInstall(tm) disk/cd which does this, so I wouldn't
have that as my primary business model ;)


> also, gentoo is constantly under (more or less) heavy development
> (getting better every day). brave newbies have no problem dealing
> with that, but they can handle heavy documentation as well...
> 
> i don't want to kill your attempt on doing something good - i just
>  personally feel we should not lower the high standards (in terms
>  of dificulty or "heaviness") of the gentoo documentation

Also true, I just thought it would get some pressure off of the mailing
lists and make the gentoo install process a bit more flexible for people
who don't have the skills/creativity to do stuff like this - but if they
don't i guess they shouldn't be doing it in any case :)


> a dedicated gentoo floppy bootdisc really sounds like a good idea

Yup. I'll look into it, but no promises.

-- 

Erik Grinaker
Freelance UNIX/Linux systems consultant

"Perfection is acheived not when there is nothing more to add, but
rather when there is nothing more to take away"
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Erik Grinaker]

On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 22:22, Erik Grinaker wrote:

> > yes, a steep learning curve will scare some people away, but it will
> >  make tech support much more easy (in the long)
> > (perhaps this is all wrong, because then people just start
> >  doing new stuff...)
> 
> hehe, well, there's really nothing stopping me, or anyone else, from
> making a GentooEasyInstall(tm) disk/cd which does this, so I wouldn't
> have that as my primary business model ;)

Ahm, sorry, I just now understood what you actually wrote there. I
thought you meant that making money on tech support would be so much
easier :) Sorry, my bad

-- 

Erik Grinaker
Freelance UNIX/Linux systems consultant

"Perfection is acheived not when there is nothing more to add, but
rather when there is nothing more to take away"
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Erik Grinaker]

On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 22:05, Michael Lang wrote:

> I wrote just such a install guide for installing from another 
> distro...still waiting on it to go "live", but you can check it out at: 
> http://www.gibberishcode.net/gentoo-web/xsl/build.html and see how much it 
> parallels with what you did...it sounds like you did a few extra steps I 
> didn't know about and thus didn't document.

Ah, nice - then I don't have to get my hands dirty ;)

The extra steps I did are very, very system-dependant (which services
are you running, how is the harddisk partitioned and many other things),
but your does seem to cover most of the things that such manouvers will
have in common.

-- 

Erik Grinaker
Freelance UNIX/Linux systems consultant

"Perfection is acheived not when there is nothing more to add, but
rather when there is nothing more to take away"
- Antoine de Saint-Exupéry

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Michael Frank]

On 8 Apr 2002, Erik Grinaker wrote:

> > a dedicated gentoo floppy bootdisc really sounds like a good idea
>
> Yup. I'll look into it, but no promises.

In my spare time I've been working on a tiny floppy-based distro which I
was considering using to make a gentoo rescue/install bootdisk.  Its not
finished but its got one slick feature (IMHO), which a ~1mb vfat partition
which is mounted at boottime and can contain kernel / modules / libraries
/ apps / etc.  If you're interested, we can pool our efforts.

Michael


-------------------------  .~.
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msfrank@u.washington.edu  // \\
------------------------ /(   )\
                          ^`~'^

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Thilo Bangert]

> > > I can also contribute with maybe a bootdisk/netinstall and even
> > > a more automated installation process for people not really
> > > knowing what they are doing - if there is any interest for it
> > 
> > i've said this before: i wouldn't want to make it too easy for 
> > people - thats what made gentoo really fun
> 
> True. However, I think the installation process is unneccessarily
> complex, because you set up the gentoo environment manually, but all
> the boot-scripts etc which really teach you the inner workings of
> linux are automatically installed. Sure, newbies won't be afraid of
> recompiling their kernel etc, but it's not a "complete" learning
> experience.
> 

you have a valid point here
also, note that what i said could probably be compensated for by 
writing the docs to such a semi-automated install process
accordingly...

regards
Thilo

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[George Shapovalov]

Please see below..

On Monday 08 April 2002 12:39, Erik Grinaker wrote:
> On Mon, 2002-04-08 at 21:17, Thilo Bangert wrote:
> > well - this has come up pretty often lately....
> >
> >              I can't use the gentoo boot cd - is there any other way...
>
> Hmmm... I've just experienced the joys of completely reinstalling a
> server while it was actually running. That is, I installed gentoo on it
> while I had the RedHat installation running - and just replaced the
> services from the RedHat system with those from the Gentoo chroot one by
> one until everything ran from the Gentoo installation. I then did a
> quick reboot and had a fully functional Gentoo replacement system
> running. Downtime was two minutes.
This is nice. I actually did this on one of the servers as well :).
However, WRT original post (adding this to FAQ) I think this should rather go 
to install instructions. There was some work done on an updated version, you 
can take a look at "Installation insrtruction" thread (or rhater threads as 
it came up multiple times). I think the topic was set by Michael Lang.

>
> I think that things like these are worth bringing to people's attention.
> I can (probably - if I find a bit of extra time) start writing a guide
> on alternate installation methods if you think it's a good idea.
>
> I can also contribute with maybe a bootdisk/netinstall and even a more
> automated installation process for people not really knowing what they
> are doing - if there is any interest for it
Great idea, but please check with Michael Lang, who was working on such 
install guide (Oh, I see he just responded in a new post).

George

Re: [gentoo-dev] FAQ

[Kain]

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On Mon, Apr 08, 2002 at 10:22:45PM +0200, Erik Grinaker wrote:
> For a complete system reinstallation and reconfiguration including data
> transfers i would say 2 minutes is rather nice, yeah :D try doing that
> with redhat, debian or whatever (no flames, plz)

If those debian ppl would get debconf canonical already, I could do
that. :)
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