[gentoo-dev] New Glibc which officially support gcc-3

[gentoo-dev] New Glibc which officially support gcc-3

[Sebastian Werner]

Hey

I think the next days we could try to move gentoo to the next compiler
generation. Now, while glibc officially supports the new compiler suite
i think we doesn't need to flag it with the dirty
--disable-santity-checks. Yeeaaah

Sebastian


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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Glibc which officially support gcc-3

[Lars Scheele Jensen]

How to handle backward binary compatibility to: C++, STL ?
The C++ ABI has change and it will change in 3.1.x 



On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 22:13, Sebastian Werner wrote:
> Hey
> 
> I think the next days we could try to move gentoo to the next compiler
> generation. Now, while glibc officially supports the new compiler suite
> i think we doesn't need to flag it with the dirty
> --disable-santity-checks. Yeeaaah
> 
> Sebastian
> 
> 
> -- 
> Sebastian Werner
> -
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> sebastian@werner-productions.de
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> 32427 Minden
> -
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> 
> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Glibc which officially support gcc-3

[Sebastian Werner]

Am Mon, 2002-01-21 um 22.45 schrieb Lars Scheele Jensen:
> How to handle backward binary compatibility to: C++, STL ?
> The C++ ABI has change and it will change in 3.1.x 
> 

I don't really know about this. OK 3.1.x seems not a so big change like
now towards 3.0.x. Mhh, my latest try to build kde-3 with gcc-3.0.3
works in most parts ok. There are application with buggy code. But i
don't think it's a problem on the compiler-side anymore. Gcc-3 is more
standard compilant and i think thats the way we must go.

The world is moving around and we can't stop it ;-)

Greetings

Sebastian

> 
> 
> On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 22:13, Sebastian Werner wrote:
> > Hey
> > 
> > I think the next days we could try to move gentoo to the next compiler
> > generation. Now, while glibc officially supports the new compiler suite
> > i think we doesn't need to flag it with the dirty
> > --disable-santity-checks. Yeeaaah
> > 
> > Sebastian
> > 
> > 
> > -- 
> > Sebastian Werner
> > -
> > http://www.werner-productions.de
> > sebastian@werner-productions.de
> > -
> > Bismarckstraße 51
> > 32427 Minden
> > -
> > Mobile: 0179.4590730
> > 
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > 		-- Schumacher's Dictum
> > 
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> 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Glibc which officially support gcc-3

[Martin Schlemmer]

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On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 23:52, Sebastian Werner wrote:
> Am Mon, 2002-01-21 um 22.45 schrieb Lars Scheele Jensen:
> > How to handle backward binary compatibility to: C++, STL ?
> > The C++ ABI has change and it will change in 3.1.x 
> > 
> 
> I don't really know about this. OK 3.1.x seems not a so big change like
> now towards 3.0.x. Mhh, my latest try to build kde-3 with gcc-3.0.3
> works in most parts ok. There are application with buggy code. But i
> don't think it's a problem on the compiler-side anymore. Gcc-3 is more
> standard compilant and i think thats the way we must go.
> 
> The world is moving around and we can't stop it ;-)

Sure, but sometimes you have to sacrifice cutting edge for
mass stability.  Most users would not want to wait weeks 
until kde or gnome, etc is fixed against gcc-3.0.3.  And
many will not want to hassle with fixing build errors.

> 
> Greetings
> 
> Sebastian
> 
> > 
> > 
> > On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 22:13, Sebastian Werner wrote:
> > > Hey
> > > 
> > > I think the next days we could try to move gentoo to the next compiler
> > > generation. Now, while glibc officially supports the new compiler suite
> > > i think we doesn't need to flag it with the dirty
> > > --disable-santity-checks. Yeeaaah
> > > 
> > > Sebastian
> > > 
> > > 
> > > -- 
> > > Sebastian Werner
> > > -
> > > http://www.werner-productions.de
> > > sebastian@werner-productions.de
> > > -
> > > Bismarckstraße 51
> > > 32427 Minden
> > > -
> > > Mobile: 0179.4590730
> > > 
> > > 
> > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
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> > > 
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> > > 
> > 
> > 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Glibc which officially support gcc-3

[Sebastian Werner]

Am Mon, 2002-01-21 um 22.58 schrieb Martin Schlemmer:
> On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 23:52, Sebastian Werner wrote:
> > Am Mon, 2002-01-21 um 22.45 schrieb Lars Scheele Jensen:
> > > How to handle backward binary compatibility to: C++, STL ?
> > > The C++ ABI has change and it will change in 3.1.x 
> > > 
> > 
> > I don't really know about this. OK 3.1.x seems not a so big change like
> > now towards 3.0.x. Mhh, my latest try to build kde-3 with gcc-3.0.3
> > works in most parts ok. There are application with buggy code. But i
> > don't think it's a problem on the compiler-side anymore. Gcc-3 is more
> > standard compilant and i think thats the way we must go.
> > 
> > The world is moving around and we can't stop it ;-)
> 
> Sure, but sometimes you have to sacrifice cutting edge for
> mass stability.  Most users would not want to wait weeks 
> until kde or gnome, etc is fixed against gcc-3.0.3.  And
> many will not want to hassle with fixing build errors.

ok it will be better all the time. The glibc support is the first big
step. That big application like kde could be build with this compiler
version is true for the most ones. The others will follow. Now we need
to get a stable working system based on this new basis. I give it one
month or a gcc-3.0.4. And then i hope all apps work.

Greetings

Sebastian



> 
> > 
> > Greetings
> > 
> > Sebastian
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 22:13, Sebastian Werner wrote:
> > > > Hey
> > > > 
> > > > I think the next days we could try to move gentoo to the next compiler
> > > > generation. Now, while glibc officially supports the new compiler suite
> > > > i think we doesn't need to flag it with the dirty
> > > > --disable-santity-checks. Yeeaaah
> > > > 
> > > > Sebastian
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Sebastian Werner
> > > > -
> > > > http://www.werner-productions.de
> > > > sebastian@werner-productions.de
> > > > -
> > > > Bismarckstraße 51
> > > > 32427 Minden
> > > > -
> > > > Mobile: 0179.4590730
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Small is beautiful.
> > > > 		-- Schumacher's Dictum
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > gentoo-dev mailing list
> > > > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> > > > http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > gentoo-dev mailing list
> > > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> > > http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> > -- 
> > Sebastian Werner
> > -
> > http://www.werner-productions.de
> > sebastian@werner-productions.de
> > -
> > Bismarckstraße 51
> > 32427 Minden
> > -
> > Mobile: 0179.4590730
> > 
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Small is beautiful.
> > 		-- Schumacher's Dictum
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > gentoo-dev mailing list
> > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> > http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> -- 
> 
> Martin Schlemmer
> Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team Developer
> Cape Town, South Africa
> 
-- 
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sebastian@werner-productions.de
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Mobile: 0179.4590730


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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Glibc which officially support gcc-3

[Sebastian Werner]

Am Mon, 2002-01-21 um 23.22 schrieb Lars Scheele Jensen:
> On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 22:52, Sebastian Werner wrote: 
> 
> > Am Mon, 2002-01-21 um 22.45 schrieb Lars Scheele Jensen:
> > > How to handle backward binary compatibility to: C++, STL ?
> > > The C++ ABI has change and it will change in 3.1.x 
> > > 
> > 
> > I don't really know about this. OK 3.1.x seems not a so big change like
> > now towards 3.0.x. 
> 
> We should leave the shared lib from gcc 2.95.3 for (prepack) things in
> /opt:
> ldd blender (from rh7.1)
> libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2 => /usr/lib/libstdc++-libc6.1-1.so.2
> (0x4025100) 
> 
> 
> > Mhh, my latest try to build kde-3 with gcc-3.0.3
> > works in most parts ok. There are application with buggy code. But i
> > don't think it's a problem on the compiler-side anymore. Gcc-3 is more
> > standard compilant and i think thats the way we must go.
> I want GCC 3.1 because of GNAT Ada :-).

try the current cvs.. it's funny. One of the biggest problems is that a
new compiled kernel crashed while attemding to start init... hi hi

Sebastian

> > The world is moving around and we can't stop it ;-)
> > 
> > Greetings
> > 
> > Sebastian
> > 
> 
-- 
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sebastian@werner-productions.de
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Mobile: 0179.4590730


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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Glibc which officially support gcc-3

[Jared H. Hudson]

Personally, I'm running gcc 3.0.3 with a gnome system. I've been able to 
fix every bug that I've come across.

Which to date are with:
netkit-telnet (needed more includes added)
pwdb (needed it's static library moved)
nautilus (needed std:: stuff in the mozilla section)
xfree86-4.2.0 (needed -lstdc++ added to glxinfo)
mesa-glu (needed a quicksort.cc (function prototype changed)

I think that's it so far. I'm trying to make patches for everything I've 
come across and 1 by 1 add them to bugzilla.

-Jared H.

On 21 Jan 2002, Martin Schlemmer wrote:

> On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 23:52, Sebastian Werner wrote:
> > Am Mon, 2002-01-21 um 22.45 schrieb Lars Scheele Jensen:
> > > How to handle backward binary compatibility to: C++, STL ?
> > > The C++ ABI has change and it will change in 3.1.x 
> > > 
> > 
> > I don't really know about this. OK 3.1.x seems not a so big change like
> > now towards 3.0.x. Mhh, my latest try to build kde-3 with gcc-3.0.3
> > works in most parts ok. There are application with buggy code. But i
> > don't think it's a problem on the compiler-side anymore. Gcc-3 is more
> > standard compilant and i think thats the way we must go.
> > 
> > The world is moving around and we can't stop it ;-)
> 
> Sure, but sometimes you have to sacrifice cutting edge for
> mass stability.  Most users would not want to wait weeks 
> until kde or gnome, etc is fixed against gcc-3.0.3.  And
> many will not want to hassle with fixing build errors.
> 
> > 
> > Greetings
> > 
> > Sebastian
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 22:13, Sebastian Werner wrote:
> > > > Hey
> > > > 
> > > > I think the next days we could try to move gentoo to the next compiler
> > > > generation. Now, while glibc officially supports the new compiler suite
> > > > i think we doesn't need to flag it with the dirty
> > > > --disable-santity-checks. Yeeaaah
> > > > 
> > > > Sebastian
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Sebastian Werner
> > > > -
> > > > http://www.werner-productions.de
> > > > sebastian@werner-productions.de
> > > > -
> > > > Bismarckstraße 51
> > > > 32427 Minden
> > > > -
> > > > Mobile: 0179.4590730
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > > > Small is beautiful.
> > > > 		-- Schumacher's Dictum
> > > > 
> > > > _______________________________________________
> > > > gentoo-dev mailing list
> > > > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> > > > http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
> > > gentoo-dev mailing list
> > > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> > > http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> > -- 
> > Sebastian Werner
> > -
> > http://www.werner-productions.de
> > sebastian@werner-productions.de
> > -
> > Bismarckstraße 51
> > 32427 Minden
> > -
> > Mobile: 0179.4590730
> > 
> > 
> > --------------------------------------------------------------------------------
> > Small is beautiful.
> > 		-- Schumacher's Dictum
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > gentoo-dev mailing list
> > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> > http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> 

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AW: [gentoo-dev] New Glibc which officially support gcc-3

[Sebastian Werner]

-----Ursprüngliche Nachricht-----
Von: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org [mailto:gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org] Im
Auftrag von Jared H. Hudson
Gesendet: Dienstag, 22. Januar 2002 02:20
An: Gentoo-Dev
Betreff: Re: [gentoo-dev] New Glibc which officially support gcc-3


Personally, I'm running gcc 3.0.3 with a gnome system. I've been able to

fix every bug that I've come across.

Which to date are with:
netkit-telnet (needed more includes added)
pwdb (needed it's static library moved)
nautilus (needed std:: stuff in the mozilla section)
xfree86-4.2.0 (needed -lstdc++ added to glxinfo)
mesa-glu (needed a quicksort.cc (function prototype changed)

I think that's it so far. I'm trying to make patches for everything I've

come across and 1 by 1 add them to bugzilla.


---

Wow thank you. Some of them are difficult packages. :-(

---

-Jared H.

On 21 Jan 2002, Martin Schlemmer wrote:

> On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 23:52, Sebastian Werner wrote:
> > Am Mon, 2002-01-21 um 22.45 schrieb Lars Scheele Jensen:
> > > How to handle backward binary compatibility to: C++, STL ?
> > > The C++ ABI has change and it will change in 3.1.x 
> > > 
> > 
> > I don't really know about this. OK 3.1.x seems not a so big change
like
> > now towards 3.0.x. Mhh, my latest try to build kde-3 with gcc-3.0.3
> > works in most parts ok. There are application with buggy code. But i
> > don't think it's a problem on the compiler-side anymore. Gcc-3 is
more
> > standard compilant and i think thats the way we must go.
> > 
> > The world is moving around and we can't stop it ;-)
> 
> Sure, but sometimes you have to sacrifice cutting edge for
> mass stability.  Most users would not want to wait weeks 
> until kde or gnome, etc is fixed against gcc-3.0.3.  And
> many will not want to hassle with fixing build errors.
> 
> > 
> > Greetings
> > 
> > Sebastian
> > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > On Mon, 2002-01-21 at 22:13, Sebastian Werner wrote:
> > > > Hey
> > > > 
> > > > I think the next days we could try to move gentoo to the next
compiler
> > > > generation. Now, while glibc officially supports the new
compiler suite
> > > > i think we doesn't need to flag it with the dirty
> > > > --disable-santity-checks. Yeeaaah
> > > > 
> > > > Sebastian
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > -- 
> > > > Sebastian Werner
> > > > -
> > > > http://www.werner-productions.de
> > > > sebastian@werner-productions.de
> > > > -
> > > > Bismarckstraße 51
> > > > 32427 Minden
> > > > -
> > > > Mobile: 0179.4590730
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >
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> > > > 
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> > > > http://lists.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
> > > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > > _______________________________________________
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> > -- 
> > Sebastian Werner
> > -
> > http://www.werner-productions.de
> > sebastian@werner-productions.de
> > -
> > Bismarckstraße 51
> > 32427 Minden
> > -
> > Mobile: 0179.4590730
> > 
> > 
> >
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> > 		-- Schumacher's Dictum
> > 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] New Glibc which officially support gcc-3

[Mikael Hallendal]

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mån 2002-01-21 klockan 22.13 skrev Sebastian Werner:
> Hey
> 
> I think the next days we could try to move gentoo to the next compiler
> generation. Now, while glibc officially supports the new compiler suite
> i think we doesn't need to flag it with the dirty
> --disable-santity-checks. Yeeaaah

I think it would be wise to wait with moving to gcc 3.* until after we
have released 1.0. After that it would be a very good time to move to
3.* in the unstable branch, and make sure that all packages compile with
it. When that job is finished we can release a new version.

Regards,
  Mikael Hallendal

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CodeFactory AB, Stockholm, Sweden


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