From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: X-Spam-Checker-Version: SpamAssassin 4.0.0 (2022-12-14) on finch.gentoo.org X-Spam-Level: X-Spam-Status: No, score=0.3 required=5.0 tests=DMARC_NONE,MAILING_LIST_MULTI, RDNS_DYNAMIC autolearn=no autolearn_force=no version=4.0.0 Received: from bender.hallendal.net (as1-4-5-1.han.s.bonet.se [194.236.131.211]) by chiba.3jane.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 3E5AC159A7 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 12:28:11 -0600 (CST) Received: from zoidberg.hallendal.net (unknown [192.168.114.10]) by bender.hallendal.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 74DF94DF0 for ; Wed, 28 Nov 2001 19:27:31 +0100 (CET) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Re: Proposed Issuetracker via PEST From: Mikael Hallendal To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org In-Reply-To: <87snay4y88.fsf@columbus.localdomain> References: <1006817973.23206.0.camel@inspiron.theleaf.office> <0GNG00DA5ULHBX@mxout1.netvision.net.il> <20011127112204.B13783@atelier.offthehill.net> <20011128162158.7cddced8.karltk@prosalg.no> <20011128095600.A16054@atelier.offthehill.net> <20011128093727.5516ba2e.jnelson@jamponi.net> <1006963000.697.12.camel@fry> <87snay4y88.fsf@columbus.localdomain> Content-Type: multipart/signed; micalg=pgp-sha1; protocol="application/pgp-signature"; boundary="=-32wHCyjAB+bGTVGZe995" X-Mailer: Evolution/0.99.0 (Preview Release) Date: 28 Nov 2001 19:27:05 +0100 Message-Id: <1006972025.13526.0.camel@zoidberg> Mime-Version: 1.0 Sender: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org Errors-To: gentoo-dev-admin@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.0.6 Precedence: bulk Reply-To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org List-Help: List-Post: List-Subscribe: , List-Id: Developer discussion list List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: X-Archives-Salt: d2bced25-6c37-4a76-b787-512250592342 X-Archives-Hash: 47cd3e1b3949547b645d72ed64baafa6 --=-32wHCyjAB+bGTVGZe995 Content-Type: text/plain Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable ons 2001-11-28 klockan 18.11 skrev Andreas Voegele: > Mikael Hallendal writes: >=20 > > As said before, this is the _default_ interface too bugzilla which > > we have no intention of using (at least not for endusers). > ^^ > Has there already been a decision to use Bugzilla? No but there has been extensive discussions about using it and those discussions has been based on writing a our own nice interface too it. =20 > > Bugzilla is complex before it's _very_ powerful. But I agree, the > > default interface is too complex [...] >=20 > The problem is that web interfaces generally suck because of the poor > GUI elements that HTML provides. For example, the text entry's > editing features are really poor compared to the features of real text > editors. >=20 > How will users select a package in the Bug Tracking System if there > are hundreds or even thousands of packages? Do they have to scroll > through endless lists? I'm not sure how we should categorize the packages. Currently I think that bugreports should go per team (ie. if you find a bug in a package that is maintained by Desktop team you report it as such a bug rather than that actuall package). This fits very well into the current setup we have in Gentoo. If we have as in Debian (which I hope we never have) that one person only can make changes to a package it should be reported per package. =20 > I prefer to write my reports with a text editor and to send the > reports by electronic mail. It's much easier to add patches and > ebuild scripts to electronic mail than to add them to reports sent > through a web interface - at least if you're using Emacs to write your > mail :] I agree that there should be a way to report bugs through email. This is afaik possible in the bugzilla used by GNOME. Also, BugBuddy is a GNOME application to report bugs to bugzilla, we might be able to tweek it if we decide to use Bugzilla. > The Debian BTS uses electronic mail. And there are at least two > programs, e.g. reportbug, which is written in Python, that end-users > can use to send bug reports. I agree with Joshua that it's very important to have a nice webui to look at the bugs, search among them etc. We should (imho) also be able to connect the issuetracking system to IRC (at least for lookups) using a bot. I don't know how easy this is with Debbug or Roundup (I guess at least Debbug has something like this?) > > This is very true while talking about endusers. When talking about > > developers I think the most important thing is that it can handle > > all the things we need to work effectivly. >=20 > Hm, do you think that all the developers need/want the same things? Off course not, that's why we need something that fits all (and in my opinion we should be able to make Bugzilla do so). If we use something that hasn't all the features we want we will have to spend time to implement them (This might not be a bad idea since we will be helping another project that way). =20 > What's wrong with the Debian BTS? I have never used it and I think most of us haven't. This is a discussion about what to use. Nothing has been decided. Currently we seem to be in the state where we collect information about which ones are available. And those I can come up with right now that's been suggested are: * Roundup * Bugzilla * PEST * Debian BTS * GNATS * Improve current dev-wiki Regards, Mikael Hallendal --=20 Mikael Hallendal Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team Leader CodeFactory AB, Stockholm, Sweden --=-32wHCyjAB+bGTVGZe995 Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.6 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://www.gnupg.org iD8DBQA8BSx5m0/ts8TQAWgRAjYpAKC1/LF1WcjefUVmAUoAmaLZ0gwyhgCfXh7w GHYKsOs983jm5x5KXkA3UQo= =6Pt7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --=-32wHCyjAB+bGTVGZe995--