[gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[Dan Armak]

Hi all,

Anyone who's working on the eclasses: I have just released a new and 
considerably different version. Please read howto.* and news.txt in 
/usr/portage/eclass/doc for details. In short, the kde-* eclasses have been 
redesigned to inherit from one another.

I hope no one is yet deep enough into the mess to mind large changes. 
Verwilst - my apologies :-)

Hopefully this is the last big change to be made. From now on I'll just make 
small changes.

-- 

Dan Armak
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team
Matan, Israel

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[Mikael Hallendal]

mån 2001-10-01 klockan 04.41 skrev Dan Armak:
> Hi all,
> 
> Anyone who's working on the eclasses: I have just released a new and 
> considerably different version. Please read howto.* and news.txt in 
> /usr/portage/eclass/doc for details. In short, the kde-* eclasses have been 
> redesigned to inherit from one another.
> 
> I hope no one is yet deep enough into the mess to mind large changes. 
> Verwilst - my apologies :-)

IMHO, no one else _should_ be deep into this (if not for helping Dan on
the KDE ebuilds/eclasses). This is a very cool feature but I think we
should wait until it's been fully tested on the KDE-stuff before
starting to use it all over the place.

Regards, (and good work Dan)
  Mikael Hallendal
 
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Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[Dan Armak]

On Monday 01 October 2001 15:12, you wrote:
> IMHO, no one else _should_ be deep into this (if not for helping Dan on
> the KDE ebuilds/eclasses). This is a very cool feature but I think we
> should wait until it's been fully tested on the KDE-stuff before
> starting to use it all over the place.
Well, yes, that's what I meant. Any testers welcome. Help will be appreciated.
> Regards, (and good work Dan)
Thanks!

(And btw: eclasses v3.1 are out, with the addition of debug.eclass)

-- 

Dan Armak
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team
Matan, Israel

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[Daniel Robbins]

On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 03:12:15PM +0200, Mikael Hallendal wrote:
> m?n 2001-10-01 klockan 04.41 skrev Dan Armak:
> > Hi all,
> > 
> > Anyone who's working on the eclasses: I have just released a new and 
> > considerably different version. Please read howto.* and news.txt in 
> > /usr/portage/eclass/doc for details. In short, the kde-* eclasses have been 
> > redesigned to inherit from one another.
> > 
> > I hope no one is yet deep enough into the mess to mind large changes. 
> > Verwilst - my apologies :-)
> 
> IMHO, no one else _should_ be deep into this (if not for helping Dan on
> the KDE ebuilds/eclasses). This is a very cool feature but I think we
> should wait until it's been fully tested on the KDE-stuff before
> starting to use it all over the place.

I agree, and I think it needs to be repeated that only Dan Armak should be
writing these kinds of ebuilds.  They are only for prototyping purposes and
should *not* be emulated by others.  Dan Armak, please remember this or we
will kill the project.

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
Chief Architect/President			http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[Bart Verwilst]

On Monday 01 October 2001 17:34, you wrote:
||  On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 03:12:15PM +0200, Mikael Hallendal wrote:
||  > m?n 2001-10-01 klockan 04.41 skrev Dan Armak:
||  > > Hi all,
||  > >
||  > > Anyone who's working on the eclasses: I have just released a new and
||  > > considerably different version. Please read howto.* and news.txt in
||  > > /usr/portage/eclass/doc for details. In short, the kde-* eclasses
||  > > have been redesigned to inherit from one another.
||  > >
||  > > I hope no one is yet deep enough into the mess to mind large changes.
||  > > Verwilst - my apologies :-)
||  >
||  > IMHO, no one else _should_ be deep into this (if not for helping Dan on
||  > the KDE ebuilds/eclasses). This is a very cool feature but I think we
||  > should wait until it's been fully tested on the KDE-stuff before
||  > starting to use it all over the place.
||
||  I agree, and I think it needs to be repeated that only Dan Armak should
|| be writing these kinds of ebuilds.  They are only for prototyping purposes
|| and should *not* be emulated by others.  Dan Armak, please remember this
|| or we will kill the project.

Euh, if this is about me, i never worked on the eclasses, but i package KDE 
apps, so i need to use them... He just explained how to do it, and it's 
changed again :) That's what he meant.... 

-- 


Bart Verwilst
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team
Gent, Belgium

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[Daniel Robbins]

On Mon, Oct 01, 2001 at 05:41:04PM +0200, Bart Verwilst wrote:
> ||  I agree, and I think it needs to be repeated that only Dan Armak should
> || be writing these kinds of ebuilds.  They are only for prototyping purposes
> || and should *not* be emulated by others.  Dan Armak, please remember this
> || or we will kill the project.
> 
> Euh, if this is about me, i never worked on the eclasses, but i package KDE 
> apps, so i need to use them... He just explained how to do it, and it's 
> changed again :) That's what he meant.... 

Yes, and what I meant is that Dan Armak should the only one using them, period.
That means you can't use them.

Best Regards,

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
Chief Architect/President			http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[Dan Armak]

On Monday 01 October 2001 17:56, you wrote:
> Yes, and what I meant is that Dan Armak should the only one using them,
> period. That means you can't use them.
I understand and agree that verwilst (or anyone else) shouldn't be using 
eclasses or his day-today work and all his ebuilds. I do think he should help 
me test them, because two testers are always much better than one. I 
introduced Verwilst to eclasses wih this purpose, perhaps I was wrong to do 
so on his first day as a Gentoo developer. Since you hink I should do this 
strictly alone, I will.

I have treated this project as the future step or kde ebuilds. I understand 
that this may not necessarily come to pass, I just hope that it will and I 
work toward that goal. That is, I'm trying to create something good enough to 
justify a major change. I'm sorry if people misunderstood me.

-- 

Dan Armak
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team
Matan, Israel

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[Karl Trygve Kalleberg]

Disclaimer: I do not intend to stir any fuzz with this. Please be
overbearing when reading it.

On Mon, 1 Oct 2001 10:54:49 +0200
Dan Armak <danarmak@gentoo.org> wrote:

> I understand and agree that verwilst (or anyone else) shouldn't be using

> eclasses or his day-today work and all his ebuilds. I do think he should
help 
> me test them, because two testers are always much better than one. I 
> introduced Verwilst to eclasses wih this purpose, perhaps I was wrong to
do 
> so on his first day as a Gentoo developer. Since you hink I should do
this 
> strictly alone, I will.

If what drobbins really mean is that Dan should be doing this job alone
without any help from other developers, then I strongly disagree. The
major point about any community project like this is teamwork. That is
what attracts developers. We are not attracted to a TODO-list where we can
pick our tasks and complete them in isolation. That is not what Gentoo
should be about.


If on the other hand, drobbins' argument is against Dan seemingly
recruiting any and all, or newcomers to Gentoo, then I understand it a bit
more. While I still think Dan should be entitled to recruit the help of
any of the other Gentoo developers, Dan should perhaps have handled things
a bit differently and required that Verwilst sent the eclass-based ebuilds
directly to himself instead checking it into CVS.


On a more practical note, I really think major changes like this chould be
done on CVS branches, so that we can afford doing really heavy changes
without fear of troubling our users.


Kind regards,

Karl T

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[Dan Armak]

On Monday 01 October 2001 19:17, you wrote:
> If what drobbins really mean is that Dan should be doing this job alone
> without any help from other developers, then I strongly disagree.
I understood him to mean that developers could elp me in testing and 
developin, but that they couldn't use eclasses in their routine gentoo work 
because we don't know yet if or when or in what fom eclasses will be made a 
part of gentoo proper.

> If on the other hand, drobbins' argument is against Dan seemingly
> recruiting any and all, or newcomers to Gentoo, then I understand it a bit
> more. While I still think Dan should be entitled to recruit the help of
> any of the other Gentoo developers, Dan should perhaps have handled things
> a bit differently and required that Verwilst sent the eclass-based ebuilds
> directly to himself instead checking it into CVS.
They are masked while in cvs. I think that's generally enough protection. It' 
much more comfortable than mailing files to one another.

> On a more practical note, I really think major changes like this chould be
> done on CVS branches, so that we can afford doing really heavy changes
> without fear of troubling our users.
I second that.

-- 

Dan Armak
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team
Matan, Israel

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[Bart Verwilst]

> If on the other hand, drobbins' argument is against Dan seemingly
> recruiting any and all, or newcomers to Gentoo, then I understand it a bit
> more. While I still think Dan should be entitled to recruit the help of
> any of the other Gentoo developers, Dan should perhaps have handled things
> a bit differently and required that Verwilst sent the eclass-based ebuilds
> directly to himself instead checking it into CVS.

First of all, Dan didn't 'recruite' me, drobbins did, and i'm trying to do
the
best i can for Gentoo, i really love the distro, otherwise i wouldn't want
to become
a developer on it.
Secondly, i sent all the eclass-based ebuild to Dan for his approval, I
never submitted
them myself using cvs. I have (or at least i had, hope i still have it) a
non-eclass kdevelop
ebuild... I can replace that with the eclass-based one if you want...

Bye

Bart

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[Bart Verwilst]

----- Original Message -----
From: "Bart Verwilst" <bart.verwilst@pandora.be>
To: <gentoo-dev@cvs.gentoo.org>
Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:09 PM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released


> > If on the other hand, drobbins' argument is against Dan seemingly
> > recruiting any and all, or newcomers to Gentoo, then I understand it a
bit
> > more. While I still think Dan should be entitled to recruit the help of
> > any of the other Gentoo developers, Dan should perhaps have handled
things
> > a bit differently and required that Verwilst sent the eclass-based
ebuilds
> > directly to himself instead checking it into CVS.
>
> First of all, Dan didn't 'recruite' me, drobbins did, and i'm trying to do
> the
> best i can for Gentoo, i really love the distro, otherwise i wouldn't want
> to become
> a developer on it.
> Secondly, i sent all the eclass-based ebuild to Dan for his approval, I
> never submitted
> them myself using cvs. I have (or at least i had, hope i still have it) a
> non-eclass kdevelop
> ebuild... I can replace that with the eclass-based one if you want...
>
> Bye
>
> Bart

And there goes my page-layout again...
pfff... suckie Outlook Express..

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[Martin Schlemmer]

On Mon, 2001-10-01 at 20:12, Bart Verwilst wrote:
> 
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Bart Verwilst" <bart.verwilst@pandora.be>
> To: <gentoo-dev@cvs.gentoo.org>
> Sent: Monday, October 01, 2001 8:09 PM
> Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released
> 
> 
> > > If on the other hand, drobbins' argument is against Dan seemingly
> > > recruiting any and all, or newcomers to Gentoo, then I understand it a
> bit
> > > more. While I still think Dan should be entitled to recruit the help of
> > > any of the other Gentoo developers, Dan should perhaps have handled
> things
> > > a bit differently and required that Verwilst sent the eclass-based
> ebuilds
> > > directly to himself instead checking it into CVS.
> >
> > First of all, Dan didn't 'recruite' me, drobbins did, and i'm trying to do
> > the
> > best i can for Gentoo, i really love the distro, otherwise i wouldn't want
> > to become
> > a developer on it.
> > Secondly, i sent all the eclass-based ebuild to Dan for his approval, I
> > never submitted
> > them myself using cvs. I have (or at least i had, hope i still have it) a
> > non-eclass kdevelop
> > ebuild... I can replace that with the eclass-based one if you want...
> >
> > Bye
> >
> > Bart
> 
> And there goes my page-layout again...
> pfff... suckie Outlook Express..
> 
> 
"I agree, and I think it needs to be repeated that only Dan Armak should
be
writing these kinds of ebuilds.  They are only for prototyping purposes
and
should *not* be emulated by others.  Dan Armak, please remember this or
we
will kill the project.

-- 
Daniel Robbins                                  <drobbins@gentoo.org>
Chief Architect/President                       http://www.gentoo.org
Gentoo Technologies, Inc."            

Meaning, he dont talk about accepting Bart as developer, but Bart
fiddeling with the eclasses.  Since Dan asked Bart to help, I think it
is for Dan and D. Robbins to sort out.

Bart: you stress too much dude :)


Greetings,
MS
-- 

Martin Schlemmer
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team Developer
Cape Town, South Africa
Town, South Africa

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[Dan Armak]

> I have (or at least i had, hope i still have it) a
> non-eclass kdevelop
> ebuild... I can replace that with the eclass-based one if you want...
No - my inheriting mod is kdevelop-2.0.1-r1.ebuild and is masked. Enter yours 
as 2.0.1, release 0.

-- 

Dan Armak
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team
Matan, Israel

Re: [gentoo-dev] eclasses v3 released

[Mikael Hallendal]

mån 2001-10-01 klockan 10.54 skrev Dan Armak:
> On Monday 01 October 2001 17:56, you wrote:
> > Yes, and what I meant is that Dan Armak should the only one using them,
> > period. That means you can't use them.
> I understand and agree that verwilst (or anyone else) shouldn't be using 
> eclasses or his day-today work and all his ebuilds. I do think he should help 
> me test them, because two testers are always much better than one. I 
> introduced Verwilst to eclasses wih this purpose, perhaps I was wrong to do 
> so on his first day as a Gentoo developer. Since you hink I should do this 
> strictly alone, I will.

Hi!

First of all (and this is nothing against Verwilst) I would appriciate
if I was informed before a new developer joins the Desktop Team. 

About the ebuilds, I think that it would be a good idea if _only_ Dan
checked them in. It would be ok to ask help from others to send you
ebuild and test the ones that you check in. By this procedure you can
control the ebuild/eclasses before commiting them. 

Also if only you commit them people reading commit-logs will only see
you commit to this "project". If lots of people commits eclasses/ebuilds
that uses eclasses some people might be confused that it's ok.

Regards, 
  Mikael Hallendal
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CodeFactory AB                  http://www.codefactory.se/
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