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([2600:1700:57f0:ca20:b42b:533b:c0b4:7cc9]) by smtp.gmail.com with ESMTPSA id g63-20020a4a5b42000000b005760ec1708esm4731635oob.38.2023.09.12.12.56.33 for (version=TLS1_3 cipher=TLS_AES_128_GCM_SHA256 bits=128/128); Tue, 12 Sep 2023 12:56:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <0c6f6995-0e27-5541-0006-f4d3d7d102e6@gmail.com> Date: Tue, 12 Sep 2023 15:56:32 -0400 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Auto-Response-Suppress: DR, RN, NRN, OOF, AutoReply MIME-Version: 1.0 User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; Linux x86_64; rv:102.0) Gecko/20100101 Thunderbird/102.15.0 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] last rites: sys-fs/eudev Content-Language: en-US To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org References: <7802203.lOV4Wx5bFT@kona> <20230911082243.65aa85f5@Akita> <4128737.ElGaqSPkdT@kona> <20230911084231.73dd619f@Akita> <5848191c-8708-edfe-0c69-eeced3907b0d@gmail.com> <87zg1szc23.fsf@gentoo.org> <5d96d41de2f7057b42b436783678c8c4.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <87zg1sxu88.fsf@gentoo.org> <6aca04641c105c3fc72910fdbb7b6c01.squirrel@ukinbox.ecrypt.net> <877cowxs1c.fsf@gentoo.org> <87ledbwk5g.fsf@gentoo.org> <20230912083517.65561251@Akita> <20230912120540.5d30dc7a@Akita> From: Eli Schwartz In-Reply-To: <20230912120540.5d30dc7a@Akita> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Archives-Salt: b34ecab2-324b-4481-aaaf-1c6cb6ab0fed X-Archives-Hash: 96e7168378c5cd8e646f8234045ad5c5 On 9/12/23 3:05 PM, orbea wrote: > On Tue, 12 Sep 2023 14:51:34 -0400 > Matt Turner wrote: >> Conspiracy alert! >> >> It's been more than 2 years since >> https://www.gentoo.org/support/news-items/2021-08-24-eudev-retirement.html >> >> People have had plenty of time. More chances than were fair have been >> given. Nothing has changed, except eudev has further diverged from >> upstream udev. >> > > Unfortunately this flew under the radar for a lot of people, when I > asked Sam about this on irc a while ago I was informed (As I > understood) that eudev was still going to be an option into the future > and as the ebuild was still getting updates I never considered this is > how the core Gentoo devs felt. It sounds to me like the last-rite system has worked and achieved the desired goal then. It is no longer flying under the radar, and for people who use eudev and wish to see it be a supported option, a fire has been lit under them to get involved. Do keep in mind that based on commit history the only person that cares about eudev at all for years now is Sam, and that's apparently out of mere obligation. He is not listed as an eudev project member or package maintainer, the actual eudev project should likely acknowledge reality and disband in order to more effectively communicate their intent. None of this is or ever was sustainable -- do not expect people who don't use a thing, aren't willing to maintain a thing, but intercede out of obligation to be an effective maintainer or be willing to do so in perpetuity. If I had to take a wild guess, "it is still going to be an option into the future" actually meant "we aren't ready to treeclean it yet, people still use it, so we're gonna see how low-effort it is to keep it limping along without any maintainers but also maybe someone would like to maintain it". Sure enough, the total lack of gentoo maintainers for this package meant that once people who were engaging with ebuild updates *purely* out of a sense of obligation could no longer justify continuing to do so when the package wasn't compatible with its reverse dependencies, those people decided that it was time to step down. It's great to see people who do care and actually use the software, step up in their place. -- Eli Schwartz