[gentoo-dev] Using gentoo-announce for more routine decision/ebuild announcements

[gentoo-dev] Using gentoo-announce for more routine decision/ebuild announcements

[Dan Armak]

Hi all,

This is a followup on the gentoo-ebuild rhide thread, intented to be more 
visible than the original thread.

The gentoo-announce list currently gets a message in a month or two. IMHO 
it's not very useful that way. Why not open it for all developers to send 
announcements of medium and high importance?

This can include various decisions - unified ebuild style, install -> /usr, 
etc. and announcements of important/interesting new ebuilds and major new 
versions of existing ones. 

I for one am tired of reading the cvs logs, and as Azarah says, most of us 
aren't on IRC 24/7 and can't follow all the discussions that take place.

If you think gentoo-announce is important and should stay as-is, we can 
create a new list for this.

In my view the optimal volume would be around 1 message per day, sometimes 2, 
with the messages being short and succint and any discussions taking place on 
a different list (gentoo-dev, -user, or the team lists).

What do you think?

-- 

Dan Armak
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team
Matan, Israel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Using gentoo-announce for more routine decision/ebuild announcements

[Daniel Robbins]

On Sun, Oct 28, 2001 at 06:24:34PM +0200, Dan Armak wrote:
> Hi all,
> 
> This is a followup on the gentoo-ebuild rhide thread, intented to be more 
> visible than the original thread.
> 
> The gentoo-announce list currently gets a message in a month or two. IMHO 
> it's not very useful that way. Why not open it for all developers to send 
> announcements of medium and high importance?
> 
> This can include various decisions - unified ebuild style, install -> /usr, 
> etc. and announcements of important/interesting new ebuilds and major new 
> versions of existing ones. 
> 
> I for one am tired of reading the cvs logs, and as Azarah says, most of us 
> aren't on IRC 24/7 and can't follow all the discussions that take place.
> 
> If you think gentoo-announce is important and should stay as-is, we can 
> create a new list for this.
> 
> In my view the optimal volume would be around 1 message per day, sometimes 2, 
> with the messages being short and succint and any discussions taking place on 
> a different list (gentoo-dev, -user, or the team lists).
> 
> What do you think?

Probably a good idea.  gentoo-announce is being under-utilized.

-- 
Daniel Robbins					<drobbins@gentoo.org>
Chief Architect/President			http://www.gentoo.org 
Gentoo Technologies, Inc.			

Re: [gentoo-dev] Using gentoo-announce for more routine decision/ebuild announcements

[Dan Armak]

Hm, few responses there. Shall we try it? A test period?

More opinions everyone?

-- 

Dan Armak
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team
Matan, Israel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Using gentoo-announce for more routine decision/ebuild announcements

[Mikael Hallendal]

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sön 2001-10-28 klockan 17.24 skrev Dan Armak:
> Hi all,

Hi!

Sorry for the late response, I've been really busy at work so I've been
lagging on my Gentoo-email reading, trying to fix that now :)
 
> The gentoo-announce list currently gets a message in a month or two. IMHO 
> it's not very useful that way. Why not open it for all developers to send 
> announcements of medium and high importance?

I think this is a good idea.

> This can include various decisions - unified ebuild style, install -> /usr, 
> etc. and announcements of important/interesting new ebuilds and major new 
> versions of existing ones. 

However I don't agree with you here. IMHO gentoo-announce should be for
_users_, Gentoo-dev is for posting such things as "unified ebuild
style".

install -> /usr should defenatly be at gentoo-announce.
 
> I for one am tired of reading the cvs logs, and as Azarah says, most of us 
> aren't on IRC 24/7 and can't follow all the discussions that take place.

Hmm .. I think that all developers should read the cvs logs, it takes
about 2 minutes each day to read. I you haven't subscribe to the
cvs-list and you'll get a mail with all changes every day.
 
> In my view the optimal volume would be around 1 message per day, sometimes 2, 
> with the messages being short and succint and any discussions taking place on 
> a different list (gentoo-dev, -user, or the team lists).

I'd think that 1 mail/day to gentoo-announce would be far to much. This
should be a list for people interested in gentoo or users that don't
want to follow the discussions, just the decissions.

> What do you think?

I would very much like to see this happend.
 
Regards,
  Mikael Hallendal

-- 

Mikael Hallendal
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team Leader
CodeFactory AB, Stockholm, Sweden


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Re: [gentoo-dev] Using gentoo-announce for more routine decision/ebuild announcements

[Dan Armak]

Hi,

> > This can include various decisions - unified ebuild style, install ->
> > /usr, etc. and announcements of important/interesting new ebuilds and
> > major new versions of existing ones.
>
> However I don't agree with you here. IMHO gentoo-announce should be for
> _users_, Gentoo-dev is for posting such things as "unified ebuild
> style".
>
> install -> /usr should defenatly be at gentoo-announce.
>

I think gentoo-announce should be read by both users and developers, but I 
agree that some topics may be better off on gentoo-dev. Something better 
fitting on gentoo-announce might be, "We have a new document on the site 
about the new unified ebuild style". After all, all gentoo users are 
potential ebuild writers.

> > I for one am tired of reading the cvs logs, and as Azarah says, most of
> > us aren't on IRC 24/7 and can't follow all the discussions that take
> > place.
>
> Hmm .. I think that all developers should read the cvs logs, it takes
> about 2 minutes each day to read. I you haven't subscribe to the
> cvs-list and you'll get a mail with all changes every day.
I do read the cvs logs. Perhaps a better point would have been that they are 
usually very short and if I see something interesting I have to look it up. 

>
> > In my view the optimal volume would be around 1 message per day,
> > sometimes 2, with the messages being short and succint and any
> > discussions taking place on a different list (gentoo-dev, -user, or the
> > team lists).
>
> I'd think that 1 mail/day to gentoo-announce would be far to much. This
> should be a list for people interested in gentoo or users that don't
> want to follow the discussions, just the decissions.
Well, maybe 1 in two days, but I think that things of medium importance 
should be in as well, not just the big ones like install->/usr. Like 
drobbins's recent announcements of new Portage versions, any major new 
versions of major apps should be announced. We'll see how many messages that 
makes, and if there are too many, we can do more aggressive filtering.

Also, in case you've missed it, Drobbins quietly agreed to a test period of 
sorts. Send any announcements to the list, it's moderated.

-- 

Dan Armak
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team
Matan, Israel

Re: [gentoo-dev] Using gentoo-announce for more routine decision/ebuild announcements

[Mikael Hallendal]

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lör 2001-11-03 klockan 08.58 skrev Dan Armak:
> Hi,
> 
> > > This can include various decisions - unified ebuild style, install ->
> > > /usr, etc. and announcements of important/interesting new ebuilds and
> > > major new versions of existing ones.
> >
> > However I don't agree with you here. IMHO gentoo-announce should be for
> > _users_, Gentoo-dev is for posting such things as "unified ebuild
> > style".
> >
> > install -> /usr should defenatly be at gentoo-announce.
> >
> 
> I think gentoo-announce should be read by both users and developers, but I 
> agree that some topics may be better off on gentoo-dev. Something better 
> fitting on gentoo-announce might be, "We have a new document on the site 
> about the new unified ebuild style". After all, all gentoo users are 
> potential ebuild writers.

Yes, it should be read by both. But the information should be for users
(and of course developers are users too so they'll read the information
as users).
 
> > > I for one am tired of reading the cvs logs, and as Azarah says, most of
> > > us aren't on IRC 24/7 and can't follow all the discussions that take
> > > place.
> >
> > Hmm .. I think that all developers should read the cvs logs, it takes
> > about 2 minutes each day to read. I you haven't subscribe to the
> > cvs-list and you'll get a mail with all changes every day.
> I do read the cvs logs. Perhaps a better point would have been that they are 
> usually very short and if I see something interesting I have to look it up. 

It is short and if you want to look something up you look in gentoo-dev
or emails the guy who made the change.

> > I'd think that 1 mail/day to gentoo-announce would be far to much. This
> > should be a list for people interested in gentoo or users that don't
> > want to follow the discussions, just the decissions.
>
> Well, maybe 1 in two days, but I think that things of medium importance 
> should be in as well, not just the big ones like install->/usr. Like 
> drobbins's recent announcements of new Portage versions, any major new 
> versions of major apps should be announced. We'll see how many messages that 
> makes, and if there are too many, we can do more aggressive filtering.

Since this list is for those that want's to stay tuned on what's
happening in the project without having to read the discussions on
gentoo-user/gentoo-dev messages should only be about things that users
might care about. 

A new version of Portage would of course fall in this category since
users won't be able to use newer ebuilds without it.

I think that things like "Finally Evolution works, added RC1..." or
"KDE3 is now added to portage, read about it on http://...."
 
> Also, in case you've missed it, Drobbins quietly agreed to a test period of 
> sorts. Send any announcements to the list, it's moderated.

Yeah, I snapped it up on IRC.

Regards,
  Mikael Hallendal


Mikael Hallendal
Gentoo Linux Developer, Desktop Team Leader
CodeFactory AB, Stockholm, Sweden


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