From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: from lists.gentoo.org (pigeon.gentoo.org [208.92.234.80]) by finch.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 4C8531388BF for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:55:25 +0000 (UTC) Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id BA70121C056; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:55:17 +0000 (UTC) Received: from smtp.gentoo.org (smtp.gentoo.org [140.211.166.183]) (using TLSv1.2 with cipher AECDH-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPS id 952CD21C007 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:55:16 +0000 (UTC) Received: from [192.168.1.129] (ool-ad0217f7.dyn.optonline.net [173.2.23.247]) (using TLSv1 with cipher ECDHE-RSA-AES256-SHA (256/256 bits)) (No client certificate requested) (Authenticated sender: ryao) by smtp.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id 36162340AB5 for ; Wed, 17 Feb 2016 13:55:15 +0000 (UTC) From: Richard Yao Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Apple-Mail-72A41C60-9E51-4429-9970-79B17B2B1E9E Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Reply-to: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org Mime-Version: 1.0 (1.0) Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] Changing order of default virtual/udev provider Message-Id: <049EAA3B-1C4B-4DBA-8407-A450583DA77F@gentoo.org> Date: Wed, 17 Feb 2016 08:55:12 -0500 References: <20160214114131.62b2deb8.dolsen@gentoo.org> <20160214202326.GE7732@vapier.lan> <20160214203454.GF7732@vapier.lan> <56C0E7E8.9090901@gentoo.org> <20160214205038.GI7732@vapier.lan> <56c12b45.aa22b60a.9e156.4fd5@mx.google.com> <20160215102900.1693a1de@gentoo.org> <20160216174541.GA1450@whubbs1.gaikai.biz> <20160216191240.5359430f@gentoo.org> <56C36BAC.3080602@gentoo.org> <20160216200516.6318fd16@gentoo.org> <56C374FB.1080803@gentoo.org> <20160216205958.7c8dff26@gentoo.org> <56C3A59D.7070409@gentoo.org> <20160217134334.090671cc.mgorny@gentoo.org> <72D09430-E727-4E2C-9A89-04CAF7D3A405@gentoo.org> <20160217135851.68b7c554.mgorny@gentoo.org> <6C4E5BE6-B8D5-4236-9786-80208347438B@gentoo.org> In-Reply-To: To: gentoo-dev@lists.gentoo.org X-Mailer: iPhone Mail (13D15) X-Archives-Salt: 1aa6a4ef-68ea-4487-951c-baf568bd32e5 X-Archives-Hash: 246aa708681f5120cfdcc4a2620748db --Apple-Mail-72A41C60-9E51-4429-9970-79B17B2B1E9E Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable > On Feb 17, 2016, at 8:47 AM, Ben Kohler wrote: >=20 >=20 >=20 >> On Wed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Richard Yao wrote: >>=20 >> I have no idea why we are even discussing the choice of default for virtu= al/udev to have subdiscussions about kdbus. Practically everyone on the list= thinks eudev is the best choice. >=20 > I think a lot of us appreciate that eudev exists as a lifeboat or backup p= lan, but want to wait until there's a real, obvious, technical reason to swi= tch. MOST of the reasons given have just been vague predictions of future d= oom and gloom. And if we dare ask for more technical reasons, we get berate= d for being a "systemd lover". >=20 > "Let's wait until udev becomes unusable" doesn't seem that unreasonable to= me, and it has nothing to do with being pro or anti systemd. eudev has every commit scrutinized by people who care about using it on Gent= oo. systemd-udev does not. Consequently, eudev has avoided the system boot b= reaking regressions that prompted its creation. That is a good reason to mak= e it the new default. If it fails to fulfill its duties, then this could be r= evisited, but that should be unlikely. >=20 > -Ben >=20 --Apple-Mail-72A41C60-9E51-4429-9970-79B17B2B1E9E Content-Type: text/html; charset=utf-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Feb 17, 2= 016, at 8:47 AM, Ben Kohler <bkohler= @gmail.com> wrote:



On W= ed, Feb 17, 2016 at 7:39 AM, Richard Yao <ryao@gentoo.org> wrote= :

I have no idea why we are even discussing the choice of default f= or virtual/udev to have subdiscussions about kdbus. Practically everyone on t= he list thinks eudev is the best choice.

I think a lot of us appreciate that eudev exists as a lifeboat or backup pl= an, but want to wait until there's a real, obvious, technical reason to swit= ch.  MOST of the reasons given have just been vague predictions of futu= re doom and gloom.  And if we dare ask for more technical reasons, we g= et berated for being a "systemd lover".

"Let's wait= until udev becomes unusable" doesn't seem that unreasonable to me, and it h= as nothing to do with being pro or anti systemd.

eudev has every commit scrutinized by people w= ho care about using it on Gentoo. systemd-udev does not. Consequently, eudev= has avoided the system boot breaking regressions that prompted its creation= . That is a good reason to make it the new default. If it fails to fulfill i= ts duties, then this could be revisited, but that should be unlikely.

-Ben
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