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[Aaron Held]

Hi all,
   I just read the IBM DW article about gentoo and I am impressed by the goals of this project.  My first unix on x86 was FreeBSD
way back when and I remeber the days when I could only get BSDI/ FreeBSD drivers for the sync cards.  Now its the opposite. I miss
walking up to any FreeBSD box and finding the right /etc/ files the first try.

   I've been working with "Internet Appliances" and in contrast to thier simplified admin push I feel that the Linux/Redhat SysV
init is getting very complicated.  I just downloaded e-smith (www.e-smith.com) which address this problem with some internesting
perl scripts that massage the /etc/ files based on user input from a webpage / console and a series of templates.  I though this was
a good solution at first, but I guess a better solution would be to simplify the init first!

   So basically can someone give me a brief overview as to what you guys mean by "Simplified SysV-style initialization scripts"?

  Also where can I find out more about "Portage"?  Can I rsync the source tree and make world?  What is meant by merging the package
and why do I have to unmerge afterwards? Should I just install it and read the man pages?

  Is Java running on rc3?

 I have a PII/400 with an AMI RAID card setup as a testing machine. I was going to use it for e-smith, but I'd like to try this
first.  Are there any RAID issues on install?


Thanks,
-Aaron Held


===================================================================
As Isaac Newton would say now:
        If I see further than others, it is because I stand on
        the shoulders of giants too dumb to patent their discoveries.
  (Gregory Palast, http://www.observer.co.uk/ )

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-dev]

[Achim Gottinger]

Aaron Held wrote:

> Hi all,
>    I just read the IBM DW article about gentoo and I am impressed by the goals of this project.  My first unix on x86 was FreeBSD
> way back when and I remeber the days when I could only get BSDI/ FreeBSD drivers for the sync cards.  Now its the opposite. I miss
> walking up to any FreeBSD box and finding the right /etc/ files the first try.
>
>    I've been working with "Internet Appliances" and in contrast to thier simplified admin push I feel that the Linux/Redhat SysV
> init is getting very complicated.  I just downloaded e-smith (www.e-smith.com) which address this problem with some internesting
> perl scripts that massage the /etc/ files based on user input from a webpage / console and a series of templates.  I though this was
> a good solution at first, but I guess a better solution would be to simplify the init first!
>
>    So basically can someone give me a brief overview as to what you guys mean by "Simplified SysV-style initialization scripts"?

All scripts in /etc/rc.d/init.d contain a line like for example:

#RCUPDATE:2 3 4:99:This line is required

We use a script called rc-update to manage sysv-style symliks to /etc/rc.d[runlevel]

so if you type

rc-update add example

it scans /etc/rc.d/init.d for a script called examples. Then it parses the script for the #RCUPDATE-line.
In the aboufe case it would create these symlinks

/etc/rc.d/rc2.d/99example ../init.d/example
/etc/rc.d/rc3.d/99example ../init.d/example

If you want to remve a script type

rc-update del example

and the links get removed


>
>
>   Also where can I find out more about "Portage"?  Can I rsync the source tree and make world?  What is meant by merging the package
> and why do I have to unmerge afterwards?

We do not install into /. instead we install in a temporary dir first, and then merge this to the live-filesystem or create a package
from that or merge that to another ROOTDIR.

> Should I just install it and read the man pages?

Not realy

>
>
>   Is Java running on rc3?

Yes jdk1.2.2 i think

>
>
>  I have a PII/400 with an AMI RAID card setup as a testing machine. I was going to use it for e-smith, but I'd like to try this
> first.  Are there any RAID issues on install?

Yes I think we have not compiled in support for this adapter neighter in the bootcd kernel nor in the default system
kernel.
I will take care about that on the next iso (rc4_pre2, hopefully available in 1 or 2 days).

Please wait for rc4, there are alot of bugs fixed.

Bye Achim

>
>
> Thanks,
> -Aaron Held
>
> ===================================================================
> As Isaac Newton would say now:
>         If I see further than others, it is because I stand on
>         the shoulders of giants too dumb to patent their discoveries.
>   (Gregory Palast, http://www.observer.co.uk/ )
>
> _______________________________________________
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> gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> http://www.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-dev]

[Aaron Held]

Thanks,

I'll monitor the list for an RC4 announcement.

-Aaron

----- Original Message -----
From: "Achim Gottinger" <320095285153-0001@t-online.de>
To: <gentoo-dev@gentoo.org>
Sent: Thursday, January 18, 2001 5:23 PM
Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-dev]


> Aaron Held wrote:
>
> > Hi all,
> >    I just read the IBM DW article about gentoo and I am impressed by the goals of this project.  My first unix on x86 was
FreeBSD
> > way back when and I remeber the days when I could only get BSDI/ FreeBSD drivers for the sync cards.  Now its the opposite. I
miss
> > walking up to any FreeBSD box and finding the right /etc/ files the first try.
> >
> >    I've been working with "Internet Appliances" and in contrast to thier simplified admin push I feel that the Linux/Redhat SysV
> > init is getting very complicated.  I just downloaded e-smith (www.e-smith.com) which address this problem with some internesting
> > perl scripts that massage the /etc/ files based on user input from a webpage / console and a series of templates.  I though this
was
> > a good solution at first, but I guess a better solution would be to simplify the init first!
> >
> >    So basically can someone give me a brief overview as to what you guys mean by "Simplified SysV-style initialization scripts"?
>
> All scripts in /etc/rc.d/init.d contain a line like for example:
>
> #RCUPDATE:2 3 4:99:This line is required
>
> We use a script called rc-update to manage sysv-style symliks to /etc/rc.d[runlevel]
>
> so if you type
>
> rc-update add example
>
> it scans /etc/rc.d/init.d for a script called examples. Then it parses the script for the #RCUPDATE-line.
> In the aboufe case it would create these symlinks
>
> /etc/rc.d/rc2.d/99example ../init.d/example
> /etc/rc.d/rc3.d/99example ../init.d/example
>
> If you want to remve a script type
>
> rc-update del example
>
> and the links get removed
>
>
> >
> >
> >   Also where can I find out more about "Portage"?  Can I rsync the source tree and make world?  What is meant by merging the
package
> > and why do I have to unmerge afterwards?
>
> We do not install into /. instead we install in a temporary dir first, and then merge this to the live-filesystem or create a
package
> from that or merge that to another ROOTDIR.
>
> > Should I just install it and read the man pages?
>
> Not realy
>
> >
> >
> >   Is Java running on rc3?
>
> Yes jdk1.2.2 i think
>
> >
> >
> >  I have a PII/400 with an AMI RAID card setup as a testing machine. I was going to use it for e-smith, but I'd like to try this
> > first.  Are there any RAID issues on install?
>
> Yes I think we have not compiled in support for this adapter neighter in the bootcd kernel nor in the default system
> kernel.
> I will take care about that on the next iso (rc4_pre2, hopefully available in 1 or 2 days).
>
> Please wait for rc4, there are alot of bugs fixed.
>
> Bye Achim
>
> >
> >
> > Thanks,
> > -Aaron Held
> >
> > ===================================================================
> > As Isaac Newton would say now:
> >         If I see further than others, it is because I stand on
> >         the shoulders of giants too dumb to patent their discoveries.
> >   (Gregory Palast, http://www.observer.co.uk/ )
> >
> > _______________________________________________
> > gentoo-dev mailing list
> > gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> > http://www.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev
>
> _______________________________________________
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> gentoo-dev@gentoo.org
> http://www.gentoo.org/mailman/listinfo/gentoo-dev

Re: [gentoo-dev] [gentoo-dev]

[Thomas Flavel]

On Thu, Jan 18, 2001 at 06:20:14PM -0500, Aaron Held wrote:
> Thanks,
> 
> I'll monitor the list for an RC4 announcement.
> 
> -Aaron

How about a read only low traffic list (something like gentoo-anoucne@gentoo.org) where new 
versions are announced so people don't have to monitor gentoo-dev for new releases?

This is a lot of mail for someone to delete until a new verison is ready. I think it would be
handy (and would ease the load on the mailserver) if they could join a more specific list
instead.

- Tom