From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 15061 invoked by uid 1002); 20 Aug 2003 16:27:03 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 32567 invoked from network); 20 Aug 2003 16:27:02 -0000 Message-ID: <001d01c36737$e34b9730$1401a8c0@punx> From: "matt c" To: "Chris Gianelloni" , "Svyatogor" Cc: References: <20030818194238.GR1161@mail.lieber.org> <200308190133.21887.luke-jr@gentoo.org> <20030819064706.GB1138@gentoo.org> <200308200112.09533.luke-jr@gentoo.org> <1061383163.415.8.camel@vertigo> <20030820160508.00002737.moixa@gmx.ch> <20030820152740.GC30449@time> <20030820185654.103f6347.svyatogor@gentoo.org> <1061394716.414.42.camel@vertigo> Date: Wed, 20 Aug 2003 09:27:02 -0700 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook Express 6.00.2800.1158 X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] install CD bloat X-Archives-Salt: 3dbc5631-52c3-4d53-9787-48a6f1bb9e7a X-Archives-Hash: b7ace4c7c1ed72c42f3e6570b43c8448 ----- Original Message ----- From: "Chris Gianelloni" Subject: Re: [gentoo-dev] install CD bloat >vim is only available outside of chroot. It is not in the stages, and >isn't available while in chroot. Personally, I HATE nano, but I think >if we're going to have an editor on the CD by default, we should pick >one and stick with it rather than trying to meet the needs of every >user's desire. After all, what's next? "I hate nano and vim, someone >put emacs on the Live CD." > >I honestly think we need to differentiate the "install" CD from the >"Live" CD. The installation CD should be as minimal as possible and >able to fit on other media easily (such as USB pen drives). This is a good point. Here is a "my personal experience" story, ending with . When I first installed linux many moons ago (don't remember the distro) vi was the only editor available on this distro. I never bothered to learn vi. I installed gentoo over a year ago - nano was a very self-explanatory text editor, and it "got the job done". I've learned basic vi editing in the meantime, but nano is great for new users. When I needed to edit a file, I ended up botching the file more often than not with vi (as I didn't know the commands or movements.) IMO, Nano is much simpler and intuitive *for non-vi folk* - and the editor in use should be the same both inside and outside of the stage chroot (it just Makes Sense). Matt -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list