From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 23633 invoked by uid 1002); 23 Jun 2003 12:22:47 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 4791 invoked from network); 23 Jun 2003 12:22:47 -0000 Reply-To: From: "Stuart Herbert" To: "'Chris Bainbridge'" , Date: Mon, 23 Jun 2003 13:22:07 +0100 Keywords: Of Interest, Unread Email Organization: Generic NQS Project Message-ID: <000801c33982$13ade100$c500a8c0@Churchill> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.4510 Importance: Normal In-Reply-To: <200306231234.44462.C.J.Bainbridge@ed.ac.uk> X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.2800.1165 Subject: RE: [gentoo-dev] HEADS UP: Twitching to un-arch-mask Apache2 X-Archives-Salt: d93c23dd-e302-4d8c-8f42-e242d15c9f2f X-Archives-Hash: 5c32508690f6ddb223acb0efc35f1f5b Hi Chris, > I don't think software updates should be held back because=20 > people might still=20 > be using old versions. You can fix your apache1 installation=20 > now, and all of=20 > the software you currently have installed will continue to=20 > work. You just=20 > won't be able to use new packages that require apache2.=20 You're making the assumption that ebuilds for packages that support = apache1 continue to support apache1 in the future. If, say, the mod_php ebuild drops support for apache1, then that forces mod_php users to upgrade to apache2. It'll happen eventually, sure. It seems reasonable enough to = ask whether the gentoo devs have a plan to do this sooner tho ;-) > On Monday 23 June 2003 11:11, Stuart Herbert wrote: > > > > PHP is still not recommended for production use with Apache 2=20 > > (http://www.php.net/manual/en/install.apache2.php). >=20 > . AFAIK gentoo isn't recommended for production use either. Not my issue. The nice thing about Gentoo is that it's a "meta-distribution"; it allows us to build servers up out of software = that we - as the responsible sys admins - are prepared to use in production. Personally, I'm happy continuing to use apache1 for now, but am not = ready to move to apache2. I'm not trying to stop anyone else from using apache2 (like I could anyway!). I'm just interested in understanding what the future is for apache1 support on Gentoo. =20 > is=20 > "keeping up=20 > > with the Jones's" really that important? >=20 > Yes, actually it is. One of the compelling reasons for my switch from=20 > debian/redhat to gentoo was that the packages are more=20 > up-to-date.=20 Same here. But "packages up to date" isn't the same as "default choice =3D what = other distros do". > Whats the=20 > point in wasting effort backporting bug fixes when there are=20 > new releases?=20 Who's backporting bugfixes where? I don't see how making apache2 the default web server has anything to do with any issues around backporting bugfixes. > If=20 > you need this kind of "fixed point release" software then=20 > gentoo, with its=20 > constant upgrade cycle, probably isn't the best distro for you. Thank you for the advice, but I'll decide what's the best distro to run = on my servers, thank you very much. The reason I like Gentoo is that, I feel, it offers a far wider choice than the other distros. =20 I'm not asking for "fixed point releases". You've misunderstood me. = All I'm asking is whether mods will continue to build for apache1 for the future. Not just apache1, but important "value added" packages like = mod_php and mod_authmysql. =20 > You can't hold back progress. Having said that, all of your=20 > existing software=20 > will continue to work as long as you choose not to upgrade=20 > it. With gentoo,=20 > its your choice. I'm not trying to hold back progress. I'm just trying to understand = what the apache1 position will be going forward. What's wrong with that? Do = you feel threatened somehow by the idea that there's someone out there who = isn't enthusiastic about running apache2 yet? Why the strong (and negative) reaction to practical questions? =20 Thanks for the feedback Chris, but please - next time read what I've = said before hitting that reply button. Best regards, Stu -- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list