From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 25917 invoked by uid 1002); 20 May 2003 16:40:00 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-dev-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 30059 invoked from network); 20 May 2003 16:40:00 -0000 From: "Riyad Kalla" To: , Date: Tue, 20 May 2003 09:40:08 -0700 Message-ID: <000501c31eee$79308ae0$d628c480@rskwork> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) X-MSMail-Priority: Normal X-Mailer: Microsoft Outlook, Build 10.0.3416 In-Reply-To: <200305192349.32237.absinthe@gentoo.org> Importance: Normal X-MimeOLE: Produced By Microsoft MimeOLE V6.00.3790.0 Subject: RE: [gentoo-dev] JRE support - is it worth it? X-Archives-Salt: 1eeaa2d8-50d3-453b-954f-4141a338a559 X-Archives-Hash: a99010b58f12798db953728c6846b3da I agree with your reasoning. I support the cutting of the JRE (actually I don't think I've downloaded the JRE since 1.2) -Riyad -----Original Message----- From: Dylan Carlson [mailto:absinthe@gentoo.org] Sent: Monday, May 19, 2003 8:49 PM To: gentoo-dev@gentoo.org Subject: [gentoo-dev] JRE support - is it worth it? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Greetings, This is not an RFC, per se, but I am posting this with the general purpose of soliciting discussion. This might be a controversial subject, so I think it warrants some conversation before it reaches the level of an RFC. I have talked with a couple of people the idea of dropping JRE support in Gentoo. The reasons this idea came about: 1. Gentoo is a source-based distribution. We have Java-based packages that build from source for the same reason that have C packages that build from source. Yet, it's unthinkable to have a system without a C compiler. Thus it should be almost as unthinkable to have a system without a Java compiler. 2. Few people actually use a JRE inside of Gentoo for the above reason (if any) ... yet of course reliable statistics on this are not available. Furthermore, some packages require a JDK to run, namely servlet engines, development environments, and rare apps that depend on the JDK without actually compiling/debugging anything. 3. Jikes will compile most things, but not everything. Furthermore, Jikes lacks a javadoc tool, among other things. So it's not suitable to have a JRE + Jikes combination, though in theory that might be possible someday. User impact to the above idea: 1. Download & install size: Using 1.4 as our example, JRE's are about a 22MB download. JDKs are about 42MB. It's also safe to assume that the JDKs also occupy roughly twice the disk space, though I don't have specifics on it for this email. 2. Reduced complexity in java-config(1), simplifies the nature of Java ebuilds for both Gentoo developers and users submitting ebuilds alike. 3. Reduced QA burden. I would like to hear your thoughts on this. Cheers, Dylan Carlson Public Key: http://pgp.mit.edu:11371/pks/lookup?op=get&search=0x708E165F Key fingerprint = 3AEA DE38 FE42 15A6 C0E2 730E 3D04 BCC1 708E 165F -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.2.1 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQE+yaXKPQS8wXCOFl8RAg/IAJ9s7FL6mRrciaCMU3med2CGUysRZgCcDvlB fj/MRBGYX0e8mjjs2fDisG4= =hpnd -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list -- gentoo-dev@gentoo.org mailing list