From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Return-Path: Received: (qmail 8510 invoked by uid 1002); 9 Oct 2003 15:51:46 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gentoo-desktop-research-help@gentoo.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail Reply-To: gentoo-desktop-research@gentoo.org X-BeenThere: gentoo-desktop-research@gentoo.org Received: (qmail 8088 invoked from network); 9 Oct 2003 15:51:45 -0000 From: foser To: gentoo-desktop-research@gentoo.org In-Reply-To: References: <200310091121.05738.pauldv@gentoo.org> <1065704982.3824.5.camel@rivendell> <200310091522.32227.pauldv@gentoo.org> <1065707009.3824.26.camel@rivendell> <1065709863.3824.46.camel@rivendell> Content-Type: text/plain Message-Id: <1065714571.3824.70.camel@rivendell> Mime-Version: 1.0 X-Mailer: Ximian Evolution 1.4.5 Date: Thu, 09 Oct 2003 17:49:31 +0200 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Subject: Re: [gentoo-desktop-research] One research problem we could research X-Archives-Salt: 9a2e2c54-2ba1-46e9-a22e-5d01d2b7e079 X-Archives-Hash: fb5fafec02e2aaa30be023a349daaaa0 On Thu, 2003-10-09 at 16:46, dams@idm.fr wrote: > yeah, that's a big issue actually, but that is related to the i18n problem. > That is, there is no step in the installation to choose your localization, so > that everything takes it in account. pauldv told me it requires changes in > portage. Hardly, it needs a different approach in some cases. I could see font setup happen all outside of portage, Portage changes take too long to be taken into account and font configuration is pretty centralized these days. > For the subjective way of testing, of course you are right, but you can test > gentoo by default, then other distro by default, or windows or other OS by > default (for those who have them). So for the same person, you'll be able to > say : this is better than that... This is still subjective. Gentoo defaults should stay as close as possible to upstream defaults in my opinion. > That's only theoric, because that involve a lot of testing (test gentoo, 2 > other distros, windows and macos) and multiple testers (from various > locations). > > Maybe we could ask non western testers to help. Yeah, when a framework is set up and it's about tweaking only. At the moment it is not relevant. > in flux ? Things concerning this have been in the works. Actually it is waiting for that until a next step is taken, although it could maybe use an impulse, but this is not all on Gentoo level. > hmm, what is our duty then? what are the applications that we should check the > look? In addition, I don't want us to correct them, but only to test them, see > if a problem is general or only on 3 ebuilds, sadly used by a big amount of > people. It's easy to figure out what GUI applications are affected, mostly non-recent GTK/QT apps that use the old ways to handle fonts. > > Although they are connected, setting up fonts has little to do with > > i18n. > > well, I'm looking for the way to see if the fonts look right in various > language. We can ask volunteers to do that, but it'll take time. If one person > has good knowledge of i18n he might already cover 80% of validation Nah, as said i18n has little to do with fonts setup, it takes a native reader to assess what fonts look best for a certain language or preferably a lot of them to come to some good agreement. - foser -- gentoo-desktop-research@gentoo.org mailing list