From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MHsIq-0006XB-F8 for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:35:44 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id ECC3EE032A; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: from mail-fx0-f209.google.com (mail-fx0-f209.google.com [209.85.220.209]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id B3A67E032A for ; Sat, 20 Jun 2009 04:35:43 +0000 (UTC) Received: by fxm5 with SMTP id 5so1921567fxm.34 for ; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:35:43 -0700 (PDT) Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Sender: cardoe@cardoe.com Received: by 10.204.102.14 with SMTP id e14mr3245323bko.209.1245472543082; Fri, 19 Jun 2009 21:35:43 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20090620034030.GB22869@comet> References: <20090617160619.GA1857@dodo.hsd1.nj.comcast.net> <20090620034030.GB22869@comet> Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2009 23:35:43 -0500 X-Google-Sender-Auth: 18813ab710933d1c Message-ID: Subject: Re: [gentoo-council] Re: Bans in #-council [WAS] Council meeting summary for meeting on June 11, 2009 From: Doug Goldstein To: Donnie Berkholz Cc: Thomas Anderson , gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Archives-Salt: edd42d5e-1014-4ec7-aa34-85385949eff0 X-Archives-Hash: fb719a4033a2905ba43c7258eb1b4389 On Fri, Jun 19, 2009 at 10:40 PM, Donnie Berkholz wro= te: > On 12:06 Wed 17 Jun =C2=A0 =C2=A0 , Thomas Anderson wrote: >> The ban was later reversed by Doug Goldstein(Cardoe) because it had >> not been put to a council vote as all bans in #-council are. > > Since when? I've never heard of this. I've banned people in there with a > note to other council members (for the simple sake of good > communication) and no vote ever happened except by lack of objection. > > -- > Thanks, > Donnie > > Donnie Berkholz > Developer, Gentoo Linux > Blog: http://dberkholz.wordpress.com > Donnie, In the past you've e-mailed all of us and told us about the situation and the rest of us agreed with your action. In this case, there was no e-mail and more then half of the council members didn't see justification for the ban based on the conversation at hand. While some of the comments at hand were snide, a lot of the confusion was as a result of the language barrier. I know the language barrier has caused a problem for some of us one time or another. In fact, dev-zero and I have had our share of disagreements as a result of the language barrier. At the same time, dev-zero and I have worked together on quite a few projects and had positive experiences together. We decided in the meeting to let emotions cool and toss it to e-mail. If anyone wanted to see igli banned, to send an e-mail to all the council members (it didn't even have to be on the ML) and we'd go from there. To date, no such e-mail has come. The only e-mails are just throwing fuel on a fire which no longer exists. --=20 Doug Goldstein