From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([69.77.167.62] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1KNeGL-0003ho-EU for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:44:29 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 64829E0077; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:44:28 +0000 (UTC) Received: from QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net (qmta07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net [76.96.30.64]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 08A7CE0077 for ; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:44:27 +0000 (UTC) Received: from OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net ([76.96.30.35]) by QMTA07.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vciH1Z02T0lTkoCA7dkTCm; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:44:27 +0000 Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org ([24.130.214.143]) by OMTA04.emeryville.ca.mail.comcast.net with comcast id vdkS1Z00436CDJG8QdkT59; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:44:27 +0000 X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.0 c=1 a=jrtqUpk2AAAA:8 a=hk6kVWbOSro0GjFaVYsA:9 a=Y-NT7xDhLl2BP-YLNe0A:9 a=sb1WsVAL9gPN5uxjgz4A:7 a=J_2eew0kqBqiliVDWuoUHdf86VIA:4 a=MxZ3bB5I4kYA:10 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id E4EE38B4003; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:44:25 +0000 (UTC) X-Virus-Scanned: amavisd-new at twi-31o2.org Received: from mail.twi-31o2.org ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (gravity.twi-31o2.org [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id VKDbqlDgacb7; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:44:21 +0000 (UTC) Received: from draco2 (orion.twi-31o2.org [192.168.0.11]) by mail.twi-31o2.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id AEE618B4002; Tue, 29 Jul 2008 01:44:21 +0000 (UTC) From: "Chrissy Fullam" To: , "'gentoo-council'" References: <506601c8f0d1$1f1bdd10$5d539730$@org> <1217270739.2062.14.camel@wlt.obsidian-studios.com> <488E2298.5080109@gentoo.org> <3c32f69c0807281411j3b67aa79oc4aa30ae13f111dd@mail.gmail.com> <1217280611.1533.13.camel@TesterTop3.tester.ca> <51d801c8f106$dd1bbee0$97533ca0$@org> In-Reply-To: <51d801c8f106$dd1bbee0$97533ca0$@org> Subject: [gentoo-council] RE: [gentoo-core] Freenode bans Date: Mon, 28 Jul 2008 18:44:10 -0700 Message-ID: <521401c8f11c$9f0851c0$dd18f540$@org> Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Mailer: Microsoft Office Outlook 12.0 Thread-Index: Acjw+ULmVruL94n/SpyU56qgpvxWcwACatWAAAXEM1A= Content-Language: en-us X-Archives-Salt: 23f307eb-6332-4527-8380-2ef1c7cc559c X-Archives-Hash: 743cfce7fa258fc602241626ad12cfdd > > > >> Sounds like it's beyond time to leave freednode for another. = More > > > >> than likely oftc. It will be a PITA but at least self = inflicted. Or > > > >> we can wait it out till we get hit something that is not self > > > >> inflicted. > > > >> > > > >> Maybe something for the council to discuss and vote on at next > > meeting? > > > >> > > > > I second that. > > > > > > Same here. It's time we said "enough". Further discussion with Freenode staff, to include dmwaters and tomaw as = christel (Freenode president) was unavailable for response, indicates = that there is an internal Freenode policy, not publically documented on = http://freenode.net/policy.shtml, that dictates that Freenode staff = cannot relay the justification for a ban to anyone other than the = individual banned. Gentoo is referred to as 'third party' and not = considered a direct party though we use Freenode as an official means of = communication and forcibly removing any developer has direct = consequences in how we function. Dmwaters stated that she assumes = wolf31o2 was banned for being off topic to the Freenode network as such = I highly encourage all to review the section in Freenode policy = regarding what is deemed off topic just in case. I'm advised from wolf31o2 that he received no previous communication = from any Freenode staffer regarding his alleged violations so he was = banned for his first alleged offense and he noted that he has not spoken = directly to a Freenode staffer prior to today in months so has no = justification for this action. As a result of lack of communication from numerous angles (read above) I = do agree that consideration is warranted as to whether Freenode is the = right network for Gentoo. The conversation with tomaw and dmwaters = indicates that this is not likely to change so I see little hope for = improved communication in the future. I've included Gentoo-council as I too would like this to be a topic of = discussion there to be voted on in the upcoming Council meeting on = August 14th. Kind regards, Christina Fullam Gentoo Developer Relations Lead | Gentoo Public Relations=20