From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org ([208.92.234.80] helo=lists.gentoo.org) by finch.gentoo.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1MPFVT-0007Li-HN for garchives@archives.gentoo.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:47:15 +0000 Received: from pigeon.gentoo.org (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with SMTP id 6BF55E0548; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from vms173011pub.verizon.net (vms173011pub.verizon.net [206.46.173.11]) by pigeon.gentoo.org (Postfix) with ESMTP id 57B8DE0548 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 12:47:14 +0000 (UTC) Received: from gw.thefreemanclan.net ([68.238.183.197]) by vms173011.mailsrvcs.net (Sun Java(tm) System Messaging Server 6.3-7.04 (built Sep 26 2008; 32bit)) with ESMTPA id <0KMK00JPYGU6VQFB@vms173011.mailsrvcs.net> for gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 07:47:00 -0500 (CDT) Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by gw.thefreemanclan.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id A1BFC15E4ED2 for ; Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:46:54 -0400 (EDT) From: Richard Freeman Subject: [gentoo-council] Re: Meeting format To: gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2009 08:46:54 -0400 References: <7c612fc60907061752i417f7201u2194b34ee830604c@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: KNode/0.10.9 Precedence: bulk List-Post: List-Help: List-Unsubscribe: List-Subscribe: List-Id: Gentoo Linux mail X-BeenThere: gentoo-council@lists.gentoo.org MIME-version: 1.0 Content-type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-transfer-encoding: 7Bit Message-id: <20090710124654.A1BFC15E4ED2@gw.thefreemanclan.net> X-Archives-Salt: 4d9114fa-5b75-48f8-b0f0-d431f28ea93b X-Archives-Hash: 29d7c8ee756a7356fe961f0b29215442 Denis Dupeyron wrote: > I also propose that we go back to moderating the council channel > during meetings, and that we give +v very carefully. I like some of the suggestions to have forum polls in place of scheduled council meetings. If you do want to have a scheduled meeting, why not aim to have 10-15 minute meetings. The channel would be moderated, the moderator would present the next agenda item, and council members would vote. Council members could read items into the minutes if desired. When I've read council minutes in the past they seem like they tend to ramble on. Sometimes I see a minute pass between posts. It seems like the fact that the meetings are so long means that people end up having the council on in the background while they do real life in the foreground. Maybe when they pull up to a traffic light they type in another line on their smartphone or something. Why not try to have most of the content/discussion happen on mailing lists, or irc as needed. The formal meeting time would be the time to formalize the decisions that effectively have already been made. After the conclusion of official business those who are able to could stick around to chat/discuss more items, and moderation could be opened up at some point. However, council members who have pressing matters would be free to leave at the conclusion of official business. I do like the idea of having a place where council members can "hang out" and be available to devs for discussion. Certainly this doen't need to be an on-duty assignment - just a place where people can go and be likely to find council members. That could be email/irc/forums or whatever. I'm also in favor of getting rid of slacker marks (by all means publish attendence records - but don't take automatic action). The whole re-elect the council after two months because the meeting times weren't clear thing last year was a real waste of time/mandate. By all means have some mechanism for recall if a council member suddenly stops showing up to meetings. Maybe a petition signed by x developers, or a majority vote of the council to start a votify poll for a recall. Any recall decision should be ratified by the developer population of course, and council members remain in office until kicked out.